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		<title>By: Jude</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2008/07/15/once-more-unto-the-breach/#comment-123728</link>
		<dc:creator>Jude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coloradan or Coloradoan.  I prefer the latter.  I'm also a Rifleite.

For those who don't want to leave sea level to train, you can acquire a portable hyperbaric chamber to simulate altitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coloradan or Coloradoan.  I prefer the latter.  I&#8217;m also a Rifleite.</p>
<p>For those who don&#8217;t want to leave sea level to train, you can acquire a portable hyperbaric chamber to simulate altitude.</p>
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		<title>By: IrrationalPoint</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2008/07/15/once-more-unto-the-breach/#comment-123661</link>
		<dc:creator>IrrationalPoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sure if one trained at high enough elevation, flying and heat vision and things would be trivial.  The trick is finding somewhere to train, since Mt Everest proves on the wimpy side.  ;)

&lt;blockquote&gt;Indeed (and I’ve often wondered why this is not considered as unfair as using a performance-enhancing drug…)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think it's debatable as to how much difference it actually makes if you train in, say, Aspen and then compete at sea level.  And it's rather difficult to enforce, since if you said "nobody who trains in Aspen can compete" you would be discriminating against athletes who are genuinely from Aspen.

Interestingly, for a long time, caffeine was considered a performance-enhancing drug in rowing races in the UK, and it's use was banned during/prior to races.  I think that is no longer the case.

--IP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure if one trained at high enough elevation, flying and heat vision and things would be trivial.  The trick is finding somewhere to train, since Mt Everest proves on the wimpy side.  <img src='http://asymptotia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p>Indeed (and I’ve often wondered why this is not considered as unfair as using a performance-enhancing drug…)</p></blockquote>
<p>I think it&#8217;s debatable as to how much difference it actually makes if you train in, say, Aspen and then compete at sea level.  And it&#8217;s rather difficult to enforce, since if you said &#8220;nobody who trains in Aspen can compete&#8221; you would be discriminating against athletes who are genuinely from Aspen.</p>
<p>Interestingly, for a long time, caffeine was considered a performance-enhancing drug in rowing races in the UK, and it&#8217;s use was banned during/prior to races.  I think that is no longer the case.</p>
<p>&#8211;IP</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2008/07/15/once-more-unto-the-breach/#comment-123492</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed (and I've often wondered why this is not considered as unfair as  using a performance-enhancing drug...)

...but has anyone tried flying though? Heat vision?*


-cvj

*P.S. (Ahem... I'm joking here and in the previous comment. Superman riff... red sun vs yellow sun, Krypton vs Earth, and so forth.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed (and I&#8217;ve often wondered why this is not considered as unfair as  using a performance-enhancing drug&#8230;)</p>
<p>&#8230;but has anyone tried flying though? Heat vision?*</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
<p>*P.S. (Ahem&#8230; I&#8217;m joking here and in the previous comment. Superman riff&#8230; red sun vs yellow sun, Krypton vs Earth, and so forth.)</p>
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		<title>By: IrrationalPoint</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2008/07/15/once-more-unto-the-breach/#comment-123487</link>
		<dc:creator>IrrationalPoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Shouldn’t you have superpowers when you’re down at sea level, with all that extra oxygen and thicker atmosphere? Maybe running super fast for really long… maybe being able to fly…. you know, the standard ones. Have you tried? Worth checking. You never know.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, sort of.  Many athletes train at high elevation.  This makes them  produce more haemoglobin.  So when they then compete at or near sea level, they respire more (since usually the limiting factor for respiration is the amount of oxygen that can be transported around the body) and thus produce more energy.

--IP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Shouldn’t you have superpowers when you’re down at sea level, with all that extra oxygen and thicker atmosphere? Maybe running super fast for really long… maybe being able to fly…. you know, the standard ones. Have you tried? Worth checking. You never know.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, sort of.  Many athletes train at high elevation.  This makes them  produce more haemoglobin.  So when they then compete at or near sea level, they respire more (since usually the limiting factor for respiration is the amount of oxygen that can be transported around the body) and thus produce more energy.</p>
<p>&#8211;IP</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2008/07/15/once-more-unto-the-breach/#comment-123466</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Thanks. That's a common misunderstanding of what we do. What makes a physical science field like physics work is computations - all of that business  with calculations (including checking that your computations conventions are internally consistent) is vital to the field.

Frankly "Good ideas" are a dime a dozen. Anyone in my field ought to be able to think of at least six of them before breakfast. What makes a good idea go from a good idea to an  idea that actually is useful and relevant is those several hours of muddling away with computations and calculations, testing out the idea and seeing how it fits into the scheme of things, and how it fits into the larger tapestry which is all the calculations that have ever been done in physics for generations. You can't just make up stuff out of whole cloth, you see. Sitting around dreaming or talking is important to do too, but it is all utterly worthless (as science) without calculation. This is vital to what makes what I do science, at the end of the day. Finally, if I were working on an aspect of the subject that was directly related to  a physical phenomenon "out there" in the world (this project is not so directly related, as far as I know, it is more about what's going on "under the hood" of string theory), then the  value of the good idea and the computation is also tested by comparison to a well-designed experiment, which has its own sequence of stages of ideas and computations (and worrying about conventions) to go through to bring it to fruition.

Thanks,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Thanks. That&#8217;s a common misunderstanding of what we do. What makes a physical science field like physics work is computations - all of that business  with calculations (including checking that your computations conventions are internally consistent) is vital to the field.</p>
<p>Frankly &#8220;Good ideas&#8221; are a dime a dozen. Anyone in my field ought to be able to think of at least six of them before breakfast. What makes a good idea go from a good idea to an  idea that actually is useful and relevant is those several hours of muddling away with computations and calculations, testing out the idea and seeing how it fits into the scheme of things, and how it fits into the larger tapestry which is all the calculations that have ever been done in physics for generations. You can&#8217;t just make up stuff out of whole cloth, you see. Sitting around dreaming or talking is important to do too, but it is all utterly worthless (as science) without calculation. This is vital to what makes what I do science, at the end of the day. Finally, if I were working on an aspect of the subject that was directly related to  a physical phenomenon &#8220;out there&#8221; in the world (this project is not so directly related, as far as I know, it is more about what&#8217;s going on &#8220;under the hood&#8221; of string theory), then the  value of the good idea and the computation is also tested by comparison to a well-designed experiment, which has its own sequence of stages of ideas and computations (and worrying about conventions) to go through to bring it to fruition.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: slim potato</title>
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		<dc:creator>slim potato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have assumed that most of your time when working on a paper was involved on catching good ideas, not getting muddled with conventions and calculations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have assumed that most of your time when working on a paper was involved on catching good ideas, not getting muddled with conventions and calculations.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2008/07/15/once-more-unto-the-breach/#comment-123388</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for those few of you keeping track, even though I have not explained a jot of what I'm really doing... After starting calculating again from scratch I figured out all my conventions this morning and fixed my flipping signs and it all seems to hold together so far... hurrah!

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for those few of you keeping track, even though I have not explained a jot of what I&#8217;m really doing&#8230; After starting calculating again from scratch I figured out all my conventions this morning and fixed my flipping signs and it all seems to hold together so far&#8230; hurrah!</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shouldn't you have  superpowers when you're down at sea level, with all that extra oxygen and thicker atmosphere? Maybe running super fast for really long... maybe being able to fly.... you know, the standard ones. Have you tried? Worth checking. You never know. :-)

Coloradoan. Hmmm. It that the standard usage? Interesting... How about Coloradarian? or Coloradan? Coloradonian? Tough one...

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t you have  superpowers when you&#8217;re down at sea level, with all that extra oxygen and thicker atmosphere? Maybe running super fast for really long&#8230; maybe being able to fly&#8230;. you know, the standard ones. Have you tried? Worth checking. You never know. <img src='http://asymptotia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Coloradoan. Hmmm. It that the standard usage? Interesting&#8230; How about Coloradarian? or Coloradan? Coloradonian? Tough one&#8230;</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Jude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Coloradoan, I get reverse altitude sickness if I'm below about 3,000 feet.  I feel lethargic and I sleep all the time (but I never get headaches).  The last time I went to Phoenix, I cured it temporarily by visiting Kitt Peak.  My ex-sister-in-law is traveling over from Denver next week to see the Dalai Lama at the Aspen Institute (and incidently, me).  Tickets for his talk in the music tent are sold out (she bought hers months ago), but I imagine that a lot of people will hang around somewhere to hear what he has to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Coloradoan, I get reverse altitude sickness if I&#8217;m below about 3,000 feet.  I feel lethargic and I sleep all the time (but I never get headaches).  The last time I went to Phoenix, I cured it temporarily by visiting Kitt Peak.  My ex-sister-in-law is traveling over from Denver next week to see the Dalai Lama at the Aspen Institute (and incidently, me).  Tickets for his talk in the music tent are sold out (she bought hers months ago), but I imagine that a lot of people will hang around somewhere to hear what he has to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, thanks... I do stay as hydrated as I can, knowing the issue here quite well (although it is easy to forget). Sometimes there are days when lots of factors come into play, and staying hydrated is not the whole answer - such as also recovering from a strenuous hike from the day before (strenuous and also at altitude, so there are oxygen issues as well as hydration ones). When I wake up my entire body in a hugely taxing way like that for the first time in a long time, the next day is always one of misalignments and feeling out of sorts for a bit while it takes this on board. I think this was the case yesterday.

Ok.. back to physics!

Cheers,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, thanks&#8230; I do stay as hydrated as I can, knowing the issue here quite well (although it is easy to forget). Sometimes there are days when lots of factors come into play, and staying hydrated is not the whole answer - such as also recovering from a strenuous hike from the day before (strenuous and also at altitude, so there are oxygen issues as well as hydration ones). When I wake up my entire body in a hugely taxing way like that for the first time in a long time, the next day is always one of misalignments and feeling out of sorts for a bit while it takes this on board. I think this was the case yesterday.</p>
<p>Ok.. back to physics!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Headache=altitude. I get them all the time. Stay as hydrated as you can, sometimes a good multivitamin helps me. Should pass soon enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Headache=altitude. I get them all the time. Stay as hydrated as you can, sometimes a good multivitamin helps me. Should pass soon enough.</p>
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