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		<title>By: efp</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/11/11/tales-from-the-industry-xiv-manswers/#comment-98925</link>
		<dc:creator>efp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just caught this thing as I was flipping channels between periods of a hockey game. I nearly did a spit take when I recognized cvj. I didn't expect anyone would be making a big deal out of him answering some questions on camera, whatever the venue. Plus, they did the boob-can-crushing thing on The Man Show a long time ago. What a sad derivative.

The show itself would fit nicely in the time slot after Ow! My Balls!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just caught this thing as I was flipping channels between periods of a hockey game. I nearly did a spit take when I recognized cvj. I didn&#8217;t expect anyone would be making a big deal out of him answering some questions on camera, whatever the venue. Plus, they did the boob-can-crushing thing on The Man Show a long time ago. What a sad derivative.</p>
<p>The show itself would fit nicely in the time slot after Ow! My Balls!</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/11/11/tales-from-the-industry-xiv-manswers/#comment-98916</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Professor, you shouldn't feel bad or ashamed for being on a show like MANswers...its all for humor. Just because its a show about crude humor and sex doesn't mean its a bad thing. 

FT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Professor, you shouldn&#8217;t feel bad or ashamed for being on a show like MANswers&#8230;its all for humor. Just because its a show about crude humor and sex doesn&#8217;t mean its a bad thing. </p>
<p>FT</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/11/11/tales-from-the-industry-xiv-manswers/#comment-93763</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed Jacques hesitancy to comment, although I am glad he did.

That has nothing to do with the post in question, but just would like to point out the wonderful job you have been doing Clifford with communication's to the public with articles about science.

Your "second guessing" about what had you had done shows the care with which you wish to deal with science and the presentation to the public. Wonder spot on your character.

We eventually all get old, even if it may seem a curse to some, the wisdom from experience shines through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed Jacques hesitancy to comment, although I am glad he did.</p>
<p>That has nothing to do with the post in question, but just would like to point out the wonderful job you have been doing Clifford with communication&#8217;s to the public with articles about science.</p>
<p>Your &#8220;second guessing&#8221; about what had you had done shows the care with which you wish to deal with science and the presentation to the public. Wonder spot on your character.</p>
<p>We eventually all get old, even if it may seem a curse to some, the wisdom from experience shines through.</p>
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		<title>By: Bee</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/11/11/tales-from-the-industry-xiv-manswers/#comment-93752</link>
		<dc:creator>Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi There,

I just came here via a referral from Chad's comment section. I just want to say that I very much like Clifford's above comment. Somebody has previously criticised Sean for 'not having an opinion', and I think those people are just severely confused about the way science works. For one, it's important to know what one doesn't know. Second, Carl above is asking Clifford for an 'explanation'. Look, Clifford isn't here to 'explain' papers on the arxiv, and certainly not if he's not interested. Qualified opinions on papers should be provided by peer review, and there is a reason why this usually takes a lot of time. I very much dislike the pressure on scientists to come up with an opinion fast, and prematurely. I.e. the NewScientist people had actually asked for comments before the paper was even on the arxiv (the deadline got later extended though). This is a very worrisome development in a field where it might take years to judge on the prospect of an idea. I find it inappropriate to report on papers and ask people to comment on it before peer review, or before people had at least some months to think about it. 
Bottomline is, I encourage you to refuse to comment if you don't want to or don't feel comfortable with it. There is absolutely no reason why blogs should pick up every topic that currently seems to be hip. The only reason why my post went out the minute Garrett's paper was on the arxiv was that I had written it previously, since Garrett was here for a visist, we talked about it extensively, and I had a copy of the paper before it went on the preprint server.  I genuinely had no clue the paper would cause such a hype. Best,

B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi There,</p>
<p>I just came here via a referral from Chad&#8217;s comment section. I just want to say that I very much like Clifford&#8217;s above comment. Somebody has previously criticised Sean for &#8216;not having an opinion&#8217;, and I think those people are just severely confused about the way science works. For one, it&#8217;s important to know what one doesn&#8217;t know. Second, Carl above is asking Clifford for an &#8216;explanation&#8217;. Look, Clifford isn&#8217;t here to &#8216;explain&#8217; papers on the arxiv, and certainly not if he&#8217;s not interested. Qualified opinions on papers should be provided by peer review, and there is a reason why this usually takes a lot of time. I very much dislike the pressure on scientists to come up with an opinion fast, and prematurely. I.e. the NewScientist people had actually asked for comments before the paper was even on the arxiv (the deadline got later extended though). This is a very worrisome development in a field where it might take years to judge on the prospect of an idea. I find it inappropriate to report on papers and ask people to comment on it before peer review, or before people had at least some months to think about it.<br />
Bottomline is, I encourage you to refuse to comment if you don&#8217;t want to or don&#8217;t feel comfortable with it. There is absolutely no reason why blogs should pick up every topic that currently seems to be hip. The only reason why my post went out the minute Garrett&#8217;s paper was on the arxiv was that I had written it previously, since Garrett was here for a visist, we talked about it extensively, and I had a copy of the paper before it went on the preprint server.  I genuinely had no clue the paper would cause such a hype. Best,</p>
<p>B.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/11/11/tales-from-the-industry-xiv-manswers/#comment-90263</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does "scientific curiosity" translate into "blog post"? I'm confused. Please explain. You want me to just write some reactionary stuff to start an argument just for the sake of it?  I'll pass.

I did not know I was required to blog about everything that others might find interesting. 

In fact, I  simply was not aware of the paper, or the discussions. I've been busy with other things and did not look at Bee's discussion until Carl pointed it out (thanks Carl). Even if I had taken a look at it before now, I am not obliged to write a single word about it on my blog or anywhere else. I don't see the contract where I agreed to anything like that. I read lots of  papers every week... I don't blog about all of them. Hardly any of them, in fact. I'm very sorry if you have that expectation, but I made no such promise. 

Please look elsewhere for obligatory reactionary stuff. I'll continue to blog about what time and desire conspire to allow me to. If you don't like it... please accept my apologies  and my best wishes and go and read elsewhere.

Best,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does &#8220;scientific curiosity&#8221; translate into &#8220;blog post&#8221;? I&#8217;m confused. Please explain. You want me to just write some reactionary stuff to start an argument just for the sake of it?  I&#8217;ll pass.</p>
<p>I did not know I was required to blog about everything that others might find interesting. </p>
<p>In fact, I  simply was not aware of the paper, or the discussions. I&#8217;ve been busy with other things and did not look at Bee&#8217;s discussion until Carl pointed it out (thanks Carl). Even if I had taken a look at it before now, I am not obliged to write a single word about it on my blog or anywhere else. I don&#8217;t see the contract where I agreed to anything like that. I read lots of  papers every week&#8230; I don&#8217;t blog about all of them. Hardly any of them, in fact. I&#8217;m very sorry if you have that expectation, but I made no such promise. </p>
<p>Please look elsewhere for obligatory reactionary stuff. I&#8217;ll continue to blog about what time and desire conspire to allow me to. If you don&#8217;t like it&#8230; please accept my apologies  and my best wishes and go and read elsewhere.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/11/11/tales-from-the-industry-xiv-manswers/#comment-90251</link>
		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And could you remind me what exactly requires me to do so?&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe a teensy, weensy &lt;b&gt;shred&lt;/b&gt; of scientific curiosity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And could you remind me what exactly requires me to do so?</i></p>
<p>Maybe a teensy, weensy <b>shred</b> of scientific curiosity?</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/11/11/tales-from-the-industry-xiv-manswers/#comment-90245</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
You could at least mention it and provide some sort of explanation for why you know it canâ€™t mean anything.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And could you remind me what exactly &lt;em&gt;requires&lt;/em&gt; me to do so? I'll blog about whatever  I want to  and that's pretty much all there is to it.

Best,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
You could at least mention it and provide some sort of explanation for why you know it canâ€™t mean anything.
</p></blockquote>
<p>And could you remind me what exactly <em>requires</em> me to do so? I&#8217;ll blog about whatever  I want to  and that&#8217;s pretty much all there is to it.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Brannen</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/11/11/tales-from-the-industry-xiv-manswers/#comment-90222</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Brannen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The non string blog-o-sphere has exploded with the arXiv preprint of Garrett Lisi's paper and what is going on here? You could at least mention it and provide some sort of explanation for why you know it can't mean anything. My favorite would be some variation of "it would require that the subparticles have fractional charge and we know that's not in the experimental data". Oh right, that was SU(3) not E8.

If I hadn't bothered to read Nigel Cook's blog from hell, I'd never have known to come over here and laugh at your predicament. I'm sorry to say that I think this is hilarious and I am considering purchasing a TV just so that I can channel surf until I see video of you alternating with large breasted women. This reminds me of the victims of that movie "Borat".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The non string blog-o-sphere has exploded with the arXiv preprint of Garrett Lisi&#8217;s paper and what is going on here? You could at least mention it and provide some sort of explanation for why you know it can&#8217;t mean anything. My favorite would be some variation of &#8220;it would require that the subparticles have fractional charge and we know that&#8217;s not in the experimental data&#8221;. Oh right, that was SU(3) not E8.</p>
<p>If I hadn&#8217;t bothered to read Nigel Cook&#8217;s blog from hell, I&#8217;d never have known to come over here and laugh at your predicament. I&#8217;m sorry to say that I think this is hilarious and I am considering purchasing a TV just so that I can channel surf until I see video of you alternating with large breasted women. This reminds me of the victims of that movie &#8220;Borat&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvette</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/11/11/tales-from-the-industry-xiv-manswers/#comment-89530</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm going to by cynical and say that this show doesn't sound like anything that different compared to some science conversations I've heard in my physics department amongst students.  But then we're in college and stupid and most of said students forget I'm a girl half the time anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to by cynical and say that this show doesn&#8217;t sound like anything that different compared to some science conversations I&#8217;ve heard in my physics department amongst students.  But then we&#8217;re in college and stupid and most of said students forget I&#8217;m a girl half the time anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/11/11/tales-from-the-industry-xiv-manswers/#comment-89305</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nigel, Sunny, thanks. All of your points (including the difference between the aired and the online stuff) are addressed in what I wrote in the main post. 

Best,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel, Sunny, thanks. All of your points (including the difference between the aired and the online stuff) are addressed in what I wrote in the main post. </p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: sunny</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/11/11/tales-from-the-industry-xiv-manswers/#comment-89262</link>
		<dc:creator>sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The vending machine topple video is here.
http://www.ifilm.com/video/2903610/show/22792
And no, "top heavy" comment is not followed by any top heavy female pictures. 
This particular segment looked clean and fun.

One always takes a risk while dealing with the "press". A while ago a smart writer for the Discover magazine interviewed me about string theory for about 5 hrs. When the interview came out in the magazine, it had a nice picture of me, but the only thing they said about me was that I was wearing nice boots! 

In olden days, one who had the sword got the last word, Now a days, the one who has the scissor gets not just the last word, but the first and second and all the inbetween words too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The vending machine topple video is here.<br />
<a href="http://www.ifilm.com/video/2903610/show/22792" rel="nofollow">http://www.ifilm.com/video/2903610/show/22792</a><br />
And no, &#8220;top heavy&#8221; comment is not followed by any top heavy female pictures.<br />
This particular segment looked clean and fun.</p>
<p>One always takes a risk while dealing with the &#8220;press&#8221;. A while ago a smart writer for the Discover magazine interviewed me about string theory for about 5 hrs. When the interview came out in the magazine, it had a nice picture of me, but the only thing they said about me was that I was wearing nice boots! </p>
<p>In olden days, one who had the sword got the last word, Now a days, the one who has the scissor gets not just the last word, but the first and second and all the inbetween words too.</p>
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		<title>By: nigel cook</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/11/11/tales-from-the-industry-xiv-manswers/#comment-89250</link>
		<dc:creator>nigel cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who even looks at a pretty girl is a demeaning, demented "pervert", according to women's lib. So I'm glad you have clarified the situation.  However, the following worries me:

"Did I know that the can discussion was relevant to a woman crushing a can with her breasts? Yes I did, but I made it clear that I wanted to have nothing to do with that part. I would answer the physics question about how much weight youâ€™d have to stack on a typical beer can to have it collapse, and what the issues were. Sadly, they cut all that out and just went on and on about the breasts, and cut back and forth between me and the breast stuff, including having me say at the end that it looks very painful (indeed it does, and indeed I did say that)."

If you &lt;i&gt;knew in advance&lt;/i&gt; that your calculations of the forces required to crush beer cans were relevant to a woman using the fleshy parts of her chest to crush them, surely it wasn't sufficient for you to merely say you would do the calculation but have nothing to do with the other part?

For analogy, in WWI, were the scientists who willingly did the &lt;i&gt;calculations&lt;/i&gt; for poison gas safe from criticism merely because they refused to actually release the gas in the field? I don't know what the answer is, but I would personally feel uneasy if I made calculations for the force a woman needs to exert on a beer can, and then it led her to embarrassment on a TV show in consequence.

"It could have been a fun show without that. Or perhaps Iâ€™m just wrong, and a boring old man."

No, your blog - even though I strongly disagree with it - is a great source of fun to read, and you're not a boring old man. (That accolade is reserved for people like me.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who even looks at a pretty girl is a demeaning, demented &#8220;pervert&#8221;, according to women&#8217;s lib. So I&#8217;m glad you have clarified the situation.  However, the following worries me:</p>
<p>&#8220;Did I know that the can discussion was relevant to a woman crushing a can with her breasts? Yes I did, but I made it clear that I wanted to have nothing to do with that part. I would answer the physics question about how much weight youâ€™d have to stack on a typical beer can to have it collapse, and what the issues were. Sadly, they cut all that out and just went on and on about the breasts, and cut back and forth between me and the breast stuff, including having me say at the end that it looks very painful (indeed it does, and indeed I did say that).&#8221;</p>
<p>If you <i>knew in advance</i> that your calculations of the forces required to crush beer cans were relevant to a woman using the fleshy parts of her chest to crush them, surely it wasn&#8217;t sufficient for you to merely say you would do the calculation but have nothing to do with the other part?</p>
<p>For analogy, in WWI, were the scientists who willingly did the <i>calculations</i> for poison gas safe from criticism merely because they refused to actually release the gas in the field? I don&#8217;t know what the answer is, but I would personally feel uneasy if I made calculations for the force a woman needs to exert on a beer can, and then it led her to embarrassment on a TV show in consequence.</p>
<p>&#8220;It could have been a fun show without that. Or perhaps Iâ€™m just wrong, and a boring old man.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, your blog - even though I strongly disagree with it - is a great source of fun to read, and you&#8217;re not a boring old man. (That accolade is reserved for people like me.)</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/11/11/tales-from-the-industry-xiv-manswers/#comment-89221</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I could have written that line a bit better, but I thought I'd leave it as it is, since the issue and point is rather clear. Thanks.

Best,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I could have written that line a bit better, but I thought I&#8217;d leave it as it is, since the issue and point is rather clear. Thanks.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: (required)</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/11/11/tales-from-the-industry-xiv-manswers/#comment-89153</link>
		<dc:creator>(required)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"and no women with breasts were featured"

But flat-chested ones were?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and no women with breasts were featured&#8221;</p>
<p>But flat-chested ones were?</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/11/11/tales-from-the-industry-xiv-manswers/#comment-89139</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! I appreciate that.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! I appreciate that.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/11/11/tales-from-the-industry-xiv-manswers/#comment-89117</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason, I just started getting a whole slew of hits from "Not Even Wrong" for mentioning this post.  I get the feeling this could be the beginning of a long and pointless argument I shouldn't even start. . . . 

Keep up the good outreach work!  It's pleasant to hear a scientist being optimistic &#8212; even &lt;i&gt;cautiously&lt;/i&gt; optimistic &#8212; about explaining and popularizing science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason, I just started getting a whole slew of hits from &#8220;Not Even Wrong&#8221; for mentioning this post.  I get the feeling this could be the beginning of a long and pointless argument I shouldn&#8217;t even start. . . . </p>
<p>Keep up the good outreach work!  It&#8217;s pleasant to hear a scientist being optimistic &mdash; even <i>cautiously</i> optimistic &mdash; about explaining and popularizing science.</p>
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		<title>By: Science After Sunclipse</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/11/11/tales-from-the-industry-xiv-manswers/#comment-89034</link>
		<dc:creator>Science After Sunclipse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Pop Science in Die Zeit and Spike TV...&lt;/strong&gt;

For today, I&#8217;m going to let I Postdoc, therefore I am voice my complaints for me:
What bothers me, is that both journalists and the public seem to be so much more interested in, ahem, improbable science than in the usual garden variety.
Via Doug ...</description>
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<p>For today, I&#8217;m going to let I Postdoc, therefore I am voice my complaints for me:<br />
What bothers me, is that both journalists and the public seem to be so much more interested in, ahem, improbable science than in the usual garden variety.<br />
Via Doug &#8230;</p>
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