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		<dc:creator>When Worlds Collide, II - Asymptotia</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] In the end, I decided that this would be a really great thing to be involved with - the primary reason being the readership, and the point of the feature itself. Reading through this blog you&#8217;ll find several posts (and links to ones I&#8217;ve done on CV, see this post and the links within, for example here) in which I express the opinion that one of the things most seriously affecting the representation of minorities in academia (especially science) -and hence slowing our ability to take control of our roles and futures in our communities and within society at large- is the lack of knowledge within the community about those career options. Our society largely focuses on black people doing things in entertainment, sports and athletics (and there&#8217;s nothing wrong with choosing to have a career in those fields), but there&#8217;s very little about the many other careers we can and should be doing as well. So these are the prevailing images that are in the movies, on tv, and in the magazines and other media. There are some images and mentions of black people being lawyers, businesspeople, writers and doctors to some extent too, but these are presented in a somewhat more low key manner, and they&#8217;re certainly not cast as being nearly as desirable as the entertainment-type careers (often they are regarded as nothing more than backup -&#8221;just in case&#8221;- options), and the coverage of those sorts of options is really not as deep or penetrating as it could be. By time you come to black scientists&#8230; Well, let me just say that I&#8217;ve never seen a black scientist of any sort featured in any major magazine aimed at a black readership. This does not mean that it has not happened (surely someone has done something on someone like Neil deGrasse Tyson? - he&#8217;s presenting a PBS science show now) but the fact that I can&#8217;t think of any is significant in itself. So from that perspective, there&#8217;s no way I would not try to get involved with this, even though it mean flying out to New York midweek at a week&#8217;s notice. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In the end, I decided that this would be a really great thing to be involved with - the primary reason being the readership, and the point of the feature itself. Reading through this blog you&#8217;ll find several posts (and links to ones I&#8217;ve done on CV, see this post and the links within, for example here) in which I express the opinion that one of the things most seriously affecting the representation of minorities in academia (especially science) -and hence slowing our ability to take control of our roles and futures in our communities and within society at large- is the lack of knowledge within the community about those career options. Our society largely focuses on black people doing things in entertainment, sports and athletics (and there&#8217;s nothing wrong with choosing to have a career in those fields), but there&#8217;s very little about the many other careers we can and should be doing as well. So these are the prevailing images that are in the movies, on tv, and in the magazines and other media. There are some images and mentions of black people being lawyers, businesspeople, writers and doctors to some extent too, but these are presented in a somewhat more low key manner, and they&#8217;re certainly not cast as being nearly as desirable as the entertainment-type careers (often they are regarded as nothing more than backup -&#8221;just in case&#8221;- options), and the coverage of those sorts of options is really not as deep or penetrating as it could be. By time you come to black scientists&#8230; Well, let me just say that I&#8217;ve never seen a black scientist of any sort featured in any major magazine aimed at a black readership. This does not mean that it has not happened (surely someone has done something on someone like Neil deGrasse Tyson? - he&#8217;s presenting a PBS science show now) but the fact that I can&#8217;t think of any is significant in itself. So from that perspective, there&#8217;s no way I would not try to get involved with this, even though it mean flying out to New York midweek at a week&#8217;s notice. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/27/show-and-tell/#comment-30236</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, have you seen &lt;a href="http://www.cjr.org/issues/2004/6/mooney-science.asp" rel="nofollow"&gt;Chris Mooney's article&lt;/a&gt; in the &lt;i&gt;Columbia Journalism Review&lt;/i&gt; (December 2004)?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Journalists face a number of pressures that can prevent them from accurately depicting competing scientific claims in terms of their credibility within the scientific community as a whole. First, reporters must often deal with editors who reflexively cry out for â€œbalance.â€ Meanwhile, determining how much weight to give different sides in a scientific debate requires considerable expertise on the issue at hand. Few journalists have real scientific knowledge, and even beat reporters who know a great deal about certain scientific issues may know little about other ones theyâ€™re suddenly asked to cover.

Moreover, the question of how to substitute accuracy for mere â€œbalanceâ€ in science reporting has become ever more pointed as journalists have struggled to cover the Bush administration, which scientists have widely accused of scientific distortions. As the Union of Concerned Scientists, an alliance of citizens and scientists, and other critics have noted, Bush administration statements and actions have often given privileged status to a fringe scientific view over a well-documented, extremely robust mainstream conclusion. Journalists have thus had to decide whether to report on a he said/she said battle between scientists and the White House â€” which has had very few scientific defenders â€” or get to the bottom of each case of alleged distortion and report on whoâ€™s actually right.

No wonder scientists have often denounced the press for giving credibility to fringe scientific viewpoints. And without a doubt, the topic on which scientists have most vehemently decried both the media and the Bush administration is global warming. While some scientific uncertainty remains in the climate field, the most rigorous peer-reviewed assessments â€” produced roughly every five years by the United Nationsâ€™ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) â€” have cemented a consensus view that human greenhouse gas emissions are probably (i.e., the conclusion has a fairly high degree of scientific certainty) helping to fuel the greenhouse effect and explain the observed planetary warming of the past fifty years. Yet the Bush administration has consistently sought to undermine this position by hyping lingering uncertainties and seeking to revise government scientific reports. It has also relied upon energy interests and a small cadre of dissenting scientists (some of whom are funded, in part, by industry) in formulating climate policy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He also addresses the supposed abortion/breast cancer link and the "Intelligent Design" movement.  In the latter case particularly, the Net is replete with examples where journalistic "fairness" and "balance" lead to a bad portrayal of real science.  Jacques Distler made the same point in connection with the Bogdanov Affair:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The much-anticipated New York Times article on the Bogdanov scandal has appeared. Alas, it suffers from the usual journalistic conceit that a proper newspaper article must cover a "controversy". There must be two sides to the controversy, and the reporter's job is to elicit quotes from both parties and present them side-by-side. Almost inevitably, this "balanced" approach sheds no light on the matter, and leaves the reader shaking his head, "&lt;i&gt;There they go again...&lt;/i&gt;"&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now, I haven't read enough of the pop-science coverage to tell which biases are most prevalent and where.  Heck, I haven't even read &lt;i&gt;The Elegant Universe&lt;/i&gt; &#8212; by the time I knew about it, I was taking a real class on the subject.  The "poppy" books by real scientists I &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; recall reading &#8212; the tenth-anniversary reissue of &lt;i&gt;A Brief History of Time&lt;/i&gt; and Ian Stewart's &lt;i&gt;Flatterland&lt;/i&gt; &#8212; treated the matter in what I'd call a sensible way.  They laid out the problems string theory was expected to solve, gave information on the current state of its development, and indicated the hopes which string theorists had for the future.

("There's just one problem," says the Space Hopper in &lt;i&gt;Flatterland.&lt;/i&gt;  "It may not be true.")

How easily could the "may solve" of a few books be expanded into a "will solve" in newspaper and magazine articles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, have you seen <a href="http://www.cjr.org/issues/2004/6/mooney-science.asp" rel="nofollow">Chris Mooney&#8217;s article</a> in the <i>Columbia Journalism Review</i> (December 2004)?</p>
<blockquote><p>Journalists face a number of pressures that can prevent them from accurately depicting competing scientific claims in terms of their credibility within the scientific community as a whole. First, reporters must often deal with editors who reflexively cry out for â€œbalance.â€ Meanwhile, determining how much weight to give different sides in a scientific debate requires considerable expertise on the issue at hand. Few journalists have real scientific knowledge, and even beat reporters who know a great deal about certain scientific issues may know little about other ones theyâ€™re suddenly asked to cover.</p>
<p>Moreover, the question of how to substitute accuracy for mere â€œbalanceâ€ in science reporting has become ever more pointed as journalists have struggled to cover the Bush administration, which scientists have widely accused of scientific distortions. As the Union of Concerned Scientists, an alliance of citizens and scientists, and other critics have noted, Bush administration statements and actions have often given privileged status to a fringe scientific view over a well-documented, extremely robust mainstream conclusion. Journalists have thus had to decide whether to report on a he said/she said battle between scientists and the White House â€” which has had very few scientific defenders â€” or get to the bottom of each case of alleged distortion and report on whoâ€™s actually right.</p>
<p>No wonder scientists have often denounced the press for giving credibility to fringe scientific viewpoints. And without a doubt, the topic on which scientists have most vehemently decried both the media and the Bush administration is global warming. While some scientific uncertainty remains in the climate field, the most rigorous peer-reviewed assessments â€” produced roughly every five years by the United Nationsâ€™ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) â€” have cemented a consensus view that human greenhouse gas emissions are probably (i.e., the conclusion has a fairly high degree of scientific certainty) helping to fuel the greenhouse effect and explain the observed planetary warming of the past fifty years. Yet the Bush administration has consistently sought to undermine this position by hyping lingering uncertainties and seeking to revise government scientific reports. It has also relied upon energy interests and a small cadre of dissenting scientists (some of whom are funded, in part, by industry) in formulating climate policy.</p></blockquote>
<p>He also addresses the supposed abortion/breast cancer link and the &#8220;Intelligent Design&#8221; movement.  In the latter case particularly, the Net is replete with examples where journalistic &#8220;fairness&#8221; and &#8220;balance&#8221; lead to a bad portrayal of real science.  Jacques Distler made the same point in connection with the Bogdanov Affair:</p>
<blockquote><p>The much-anticipated New York Times article on the Bogdanov scandal has appeared. Alas, it suffers from the usual journalistic conceit that a proper newspaper article must cover a &#8220;controversy&#8221;. There must be two sides to the controversy, and the reporter&#8217;s job is to elicit quotes from both parties and present them side-by-side. Almost inevitably, this &#8220;balanced&#8221; approach sheds no light on the matter, and leaves the reader shaking his head, &#8220;<i>There they go again&#8230;</i>&#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>Now, I haven&#8217;t read enough of the pop-science coverage to tell which biases are most prevalent and where.  Heck, I haven&#8217;t even read <i>The Elegant Universe</i> &mdash; by the time I knew about it, I was taking a real class on the subject.  The &#8220;poppy&#8221; books by real scientists I <i>do</i> recall reading &mdash; the tenth-anniversary reissue of <i>A Brief History of Time</i> and Ian Stewart&#8217;s <i>Flatterland</i> &mdash; treated the matter in what I&#8217;d call a sensible way.  They laid out the problems string theory was expected to solve, gave information on the current state of its development, and indicated the hopes which string theorists had for the future.</p>
<p>(&#8221;There&#8217;s just one problem,&#8221; says the Space Hopper in <i>Flatterland.</i>  &#8220;It may not be true.&#8221;)</p>
<p>How easily could the &#8220;may solve&#8221; of a few books be expanded into a &#8220;will solve&#8221; in newspaper and magazine articles?</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/27/show-and-tell/#comment-30232</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003847.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt; to second Liberman piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003847.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a> to second Liberman piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/27/show-and-tell/#comment-30231</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the elaboration!

I have wanted for several months to do a study of science journalism and the flaws thereof.  It's not too difficult to find examples in areas where the "real story" is better known and easier to understand than string theory, for example in linguistics where the math is less abstruse.  One classic case is the story of &lt;a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003507.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;British cows purportedly moo-ing in regional dialects&lt;/a&gt;.  Apparently, this became ideal meme-fodder.  It propagated rapidly throughout credulous media organs, prompting the linguist Mark Liberman to write,

&lt;blockquote&gt;It's a tradition in anglophone journalism that the late summer is treated as a sort of extended April Fool's Day, known as the "silly season". Because both newsmakers and subscribers are on vacation, the laws of journalistic supply and demand motivate attempts to stir up interest with extravagant nonsense. A similar phenomenon is called &lt;i&gt;Sommerloch&lt;/i&gt; (= "summer hole") in German. But this silly-season cow-dialect case is not very different from the journalistic treatment of animal-communication stories throughout the year. Even though the cow-dialect story was created out of nothing as a PR stunt, it exemplifies a relationship between facts and their media presentation that is, alas, the normal one. In the world's science sections, it's always silly season.

I guess that some of this is just the normal "telephone game" of human communication, where each writer adds bit of misunderstanding or embroidery to the interpretations or fabrications of the the last one. And most journalists know nothing much about science, and most editors seem to believe that audience appeal is much more important than accuracy, as long as there are no powerful groups to complain about falsehoods. So we get the predictable result: wildly inaccurate stories. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Another case, more troubling in my judgment, involves Louann Brizendine's book &lt;i&gt;The Female Brain,&lt;/i&gt; which claimed &#8212; without evidence &#8212; that "women talk almost three times as much as men" and "while a man will think about sex every 52 seconds, the subject tends to cross women's minds just once a day."  These statements also propagated throughout newspapers, magazines and websites.  Entertainingly, one &lt;i&gt;Daily Mail&lt;/i&gt; article got both the author's name and the book title wrong, and &lt;i&gt;other publications picked up the mistakes,&lt;/i&gt; allowing linguists to track the error propagation around the globe.  Liberman wrote of this,

&lt;blockquote&gt;The public reaction has mostly been that this is like doing experiments to discover that the sun rises in the east, or to confirm that animals deprived of food will starve. In fact, however, the "facts" about word counts and sexual thoughts are false: Louann Brizendine hasn't done any research on either topic, the sources she cites contain no relevant evidence, and existing studies contradict her claims. [...] But to insist on the concept of "fact" in this context is a recipe for frustration. As I've watched the reaction to Louann Brizendine's book over the past few months, I've concluded that "scientific studies" like these have taken over the place that bible stories used to occupy. It's only fundamentalists like me who worry about whether they're true. For most people, it's only important that they're morally instructive.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

While understanding the flaws in these linguistic and psychological claims requires knowing a little about statistics (means, standard deviations and such) it's significantly more accessible than the AdS/CFT correspondence.  Having persuasive evidence in hand that media reportage on science can go horribly awry on familiar ground, what can we say about the journalistic picture of string theory?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the elaboration!</p>
<p>I have wanted for several months to do a study of science journalism and the flaws thereof.  It&#8217;s not too difficult to find examples in areas where the &#8220;real story&#8221; is better known and easier to understand than string theory, for example in linguistics where the math is less abstruse.  One classic case is the story of <a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003507.html" rel="nofollow">British cows purportedly moo-ing in regional dialects</a>.  Apparently, this became ideal meme-fodder.  It propagated rapidly throughout credulous media organs, prompting the linguist Mark Liberman to write,</p>
<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s a tradition in anglophone journalism that the late summer is treated as a sort of extended April Fool&#8217;s Day, known as the &#8220;silly season&#8221;. Because both newsmakers and subscribers are on vacation, the laws of journalistic supply and demand motivate attempts to stir up interest with extravagant nonsense. A similar phenomenon is called <i>Sommerloch</i> (= &#8220;summer hole&#8221;) in German. But this silly-season cow-dialect case is not very different from the journalistic treatment of animal-communication stories throughout the year. Even though the cow-dialect story was created out of nothing as a PR stunt, it exemplifies a relationship between facts and their media presentation that is, alas, the normal one. In the world&#8217;s science sections, it&#8217;s always silly season.</p>
<p>I guess that some of this is just the normal &#8220;telephone game&#8221; of human communication, where each writer adds bit of misunderstanding or embroidery to the interpretations or fabrications of the the last one. And most journalists know nothing much about science, and most editors seem to believe that audience appeal is much more important than accuracy, as long as there are no powerful groups to complain about falsehoods. So we get the predictable result: wildly inaccurate stories. </p></blockquote>
<p>Another case, more troubling in my judgment, involves Louann Brizendine&#8217;s book <i>The Female Brain,</i> which claimed &mdash; without evidence &mdash; that &#8220;women talk almost three times as much as men&#8221; and &#8220;while a man will think about sex every 52 seconds, the subject tends to cross women&#8217;s minds just once a day.&#8221;  These statements also propagated throughout newspapers, magazines and websites.  Entertainingly, one <i>Daily Mail</i> article got both the author&#8217;s name and the book title wrong, and <i>other publications picked up the mistakes,</i> allowing linguists to track the error propagation around the globe.  Liberman wrote of this,</p>
<blockquote><p>The public reaction has mostly been that this is like doing experiments to discover that the sun rises in the east, or to confirm that animals deprived of food will starve. In fact, however, the &#8220;facts&#8221; about word counts and sexual thoughts are false: Louann Brizendine hasn&#8217;t done any research on either topic, the sources she cites contain no relevant evidence, and existing studies contradict her claims. [...] But to insist on the concept of &#8220;fact&#8221; in this context is a recipe for frustration. As I&#8217;ve watched the reaction to Louann Brizendine&#8217;s book over the past few months, I&#8217;ve concluded that &#8220;scientific studies&#8221; like these have taken over the place that bible stories used to occupy. It&#8217;s only fundamentalists like me who worry about whether they&#8217;re true. For most people, it&#8217;s only important that they&#8217;re morally instructive.</p></blockquote>
<p>While understanding the flaws in these linguistic and psychological claims requires knowing a little about statistics (means, standard deviations and such) it&#8217;s significantly more accessible than the AdS/CFT correspondence.  Having persuasive evidence in hand that media reportage on science can go horribly awry on familiar ground, what can we say about the journalistic picture of string theory?</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/27/show-and-tell/#comment-30214</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Blake.

Thanks. I fondly remember that experiment, and the  feeling (see the earlier post on the Feeling) that came with it. Just great.

About the other thing:- I'm on record as saying that there's a lot of people working on string theory in order to understand strongly coupled gauge theory phenomena (confinement, high temperature phase transitions, high nuclear density, and other phenomena of the strong nuclear interactions). This includes writing papers specifically on the RHIC matters, but is not limited to that. Those who are writing RHIC-specific papers are  using and further developing results and tools  developed by people who are working on stringy descriptions  of strongly coupled gauge theory phenomena, and so it is silly to focus only on papers that mention RHIC. 

The discussion was in the thread of the &lt;a href="http://asymptotia.com/2006/10/05/more-scenes-from-the-storm-in-a-teacup-iv/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"&gt;fourth&lt;/a&gt;  of the "Storm in a Teacup" posts, and I made specific comments there such as &lt;a href="http://asymptotia.com/2006/10/05/more-scenes-from-the-storm-in-a-teacup-iv/#comment-1663" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://asymptotia.com/2006/10/05/more-scenes-from-the-storm-in-a-teacup-iv/#comment-1725" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.

I've not done a count, but there are entire workshops and conferences on it (large sessions thereof too), several people working on it in many groups around the world, and untold numbers of students doing projects on those sorts of things.... It will continue. I don't know the total number of people in the world working on string theory, and so I cannot give you a number. But there is very significant activity in terms of the number of people I meet who are working on these things,  the number of people I meet at conferences , the papers that I read and the authors on them, etc, etc.

My &lt;i&gt; central point&lt;/i&gt; was that the hype-masters selling their misinformed books (that attack all research in string theory) to the public are dismissing a very significant  part of the effort of research into string theory by (for example)  largely claiming we're all sitting around playing with the landscape and anthropic arguments. &lt;i&gt; So many&lt;/i&gt; people are doing so many useful and wonderful things.... there's a great diversity of activity and ideas and powerful tools are being developed. You hardly hear about it in the press, sadly*, as it is not controversial, and so of course  nobody is willing to try to write an honest book about it. 

Sad.

-cvj

*Although -coincidentally or not, I don't know- since some of those discussions I've seen more instances in the press of mentions of this type of effort, although it might be that it just turns into a new press bandwagon of stuff to overstate about the RHIC connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Blake.</p>
<p>Thanks. I fondly remember that experiment, and the  feeling (see the earlier post on the Feeling) that came with it. Just great.</p>
<p>About the other thing:- I&#8217;m on record as saying that there&#8217;s a lot of people working on string theory in order to understand strongly coupled gauge theory phenomena (confinement, high temperature phase transitions, high nuclear density, and other phenomena of the strong nuclear interactions). This includes writing papers specifically on the RHIC matters, but is not limited to that. Those who are writing RHIC-specific papers are  using and further developing results and tools  developed by people who are working on stringy descriptions  of strongly coupled gauge theory phenomena, and so it is silly to focus only on papers that mention RHIC. </p>
<p>The discussion was in the thread of the <a href="http://asymptotia.com/2006/10/05/more-scenes-from-the-storm-in-a-teacup-iv/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">fourth</a>  of the &#8220;Storm in a Teacup&#8221; posts, and I made specific comments there such as <a href="http://asymptotia.com/2006/10/05/more-scenes-from-the-storm-in-a-teacup-iv/#comment-1663" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">this</a> and <a href="http://asymptotia.com/2006/10/05/more-scenes-from-the-storm-in-a-teacup-iv/#comment-1725" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not done a count, but there are entire workshops and conferences on it (large sessions thereof too), several people working on it in many groups around the world, and untold numbers of students doing projects on those sorts of things&#8230;. It will continue. I don&#8217;t know the total number of people in the world working on string theory, and so I cannot give you a number. But there is very significant activity in terms of the number of people I meet who are working on these things,  the number of people I meet at conferences , the papers that I read and the authors on them, etc, etc.</p>
<p>My <i> central point</i> was that the hype-masters selling their misinformed books (that attack all research in string theory) to the public are dismissing a very significant  part of the effort of research into string theory by (for example)  largely claiming we&#8217;re all sitting around playing with the landscape and anthropic arguments. <i> So many</i> people are doing so many useful and wonderful things&#8230;. there&#8217;s a great diversity of activity and ideas and powerful tools are being developed. You hardly hear about it in the press, sadly*, as it is not controversial, and so of course  nobody is willing to try to write an honest book about it. </p>
<p>Sad.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
<p>*Although -coincidentally or not, I don&#8217;t know- since some of those discussions I&#8217;ve seen more instances in the press of mentions of this type of effort, although it might be that it just turns into a new press bandwagon of stuff to overstate about the RHIC connection.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/27/show-and-tell/#comment-30186</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That "My Hero Project" interview is pretty good!  I particularly liked the experiment with rice.  And people say theorists are disconnected from the real world!  :-)

On a not-so-related note, I was wondering if you could give a figure for the number or percentage of string theorists working on AdS/CFT calculations of quark-gluon plasmas.  The subject came up &lt;a href="http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2007/02/this_weeks_finds_in_mathematic_7.html#c008044" rel="nofollow"&gt;over at The n-Category Cafe&lt;/a&gt;, and nobody seemed to have an actual number at hand.  Since you're on record saying that it's a lot of people, I thought you might be a good person to ask.  Of course, I recognize there could be considerable ambiguity in the answer:  some people publish one paper on the subject, others might have a team of grad students hacking at this or that, and so forth.

Again, I'm very happy to see you taking the time to inspire people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That &#8220;My Hero Project&#8221; interview is pretty good!  I particularly liked the experiment with rice.  And people say theorists are disconnected from the real world!  <img src='http://asymptotia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>On a not-so-related note, I was wondering if you could give a figure for the number or percentage of string theorists working on AdS/CFT calculations of quark-gluon plasmas.  The subject came up <a href="http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2007/02/this_weeks_finds_in_mathematic_7.html#c008044" rel="nofollow">over at The n-Category Cafe</a>, and nobody seemed to have an actual number at hand.  Since you&#8217;re on record saying that it&#8217;s a lot of people, I thought you might be a good person to ask.  Of course, I recognize there could be considerable ambiguity in the answer:  some people publish one paper on the subject, others might have a team of grad students hacking at this or that, and so forth.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m very happy to see you taking the time to inspire people!</p>
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