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		<title>By: Nuts and Bolts - Asymptotia</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-55166</link>
		<dc:creator>Nuts and Bolts - Asymptotia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mid-afternoon came. Still had not gone out. But there was always this sense that I was on a verge of a breakthrough in my understanding of everything since I really liked my new interpretation that I&#8217;d thought of in the shower&#8230; I was now trying to re-cast everything in that light. Then the minus sign began to make sense. All of a sudden I properly understood it physically (or at least I thought I did&#8230;.I had to modify things slightly later, but the essence fell into place in a flash&#8230;). The factors of two kept me going well into the afternoon. Every time I re-did aspects of the computation I understood things better, until eventually&#8230; The very last factor of two fell into place. It was not me at all. I was working using conventions from a 1999 paper in one part of my notebook, and a separate 2003 paper in another part of my notebook. Guess what? The unit of energy used in one paper was precisely twice that of the later paper. As soon as I realized this, there was that flash/click of global internal resolution (I&#8217;ve discussed that feeling here before) and I felt great. I&#8217;d understood Stage Two of my computation. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mid-afternoon came. Still had not gone out. But there was always this sense that I was on a verge of a breakthrough in my understanding of everything since I really liked my new interpretation that I&#8217;d thought of in the shower&#8230; I was now trying to re-cast everything in that light. Then the minus sign began to make sense. All of a sudden I properly understood it physically (or at least I thought I did&#8230;.I had to modify things slightly later, but the essence fell into place in a flash&#8230;). The factors of two kept me going well into the afternoon. Every time I re-did aspects of the computation I understood things better, until eventually&#8230; The very last factor of two fell into place. It was not me at all. I was working using conventions from a 1999 paper in one part of my notebook, and a separate 2003 paper in another part of my notebook. Guess what? The unit of energy used in one paper was precisely twice that of the later paper. As soon as I realized this, there was that flash/click of global internal resolution (I&#8217;ve discussed that feeling here before) and I felt great. I&#8217;d understood Stage Two of my computation. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cyrus Chestnut Rocks and Rolls - Asymptotia</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-36551</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Anyway, I hope the woman enjoyed the jazz. After she&#8217;d mentioned that she was new to the whole business, I found myself remembering with fondness that first period of listening to excellent musicians play Jazz live when I was a student in London. I can&#8217;t begin to describe how transforming it all was for me. I felt the music so deeply and rapidly and increasingly understood what they were doing and thinking right down to the core, and it made so much sense on so many more levels than you witness if you just listen to a recording. Patterns and phrases come together and regularly click (in just the way I described in this post) inside you, and it excites you with just how much they make sense in the place they were put. Then you want more of this great feeling which is manifested in equal parts in your gut and in your head - you get addicted to it. &#8230;and there was just so much to see (I lived in Bloomsbury, with ready access to many great venues), so much going on, and I seemed to have so much time back then. It was a wonderful time. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Anyway, I hope the woman enjoyed the jazz. After she&#8217;d mentioned that she was new to the whole business, I found myself remembering with fondness that first period of listening to excellent musicians play Jazz live when I was a student in London. I can&#8217;t begin to describe how transforming it all was for me. I felt the music so deeply and rapidly and increasingly understood what they were doing and thinking right down to the core, and it made so much sense on so many more levels than you witness if you just listen to a recording. Patterns and phrases come together and regularly click (in just the way I described in this post) inside you, and it excites you with just how much they make sense in the place they were put. Then you want more of this great feeling which is manifested in equal parts in your gut and in your head - you get addicted to it. &#8230;and there was just so much to see (I lived in Bloomsbury, with ready access to many great venues), so much going on, and I seemed to have so much time back then. It was a wonderful time. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-31746</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a &lt;a href="http://cosmicweb.uchicago.edu/sims.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;mental image&lt;/a&gt; that helped me in association with the term "Hirameki" supplied above. I thought is may be of comparative value?

Just imagine "the box" is your brain. :) That one eventually tends to "start working outside the box, " whilst still attached to all those things of science boxed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a <a href="http://cosmicweb.uchicago.edu/sims.html" rel="nofollow">mental image</a> that helped me in association with the term &#8220;Hirameki&#8221; supplied above. I thought is may be of comparative value?</p>
<p>Just imagine &#8220;the box&#8221; is your brain. <img src='http://asymptotia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> That one eventually tends to &#8220;start working outside the box, &#8221; whilst still attached to all those things of science boxed?</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-31738</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am always trying to define this process myself. So some thoughts and hopefully it is not to long and takes up to much space.

I mention a issue about "&lt;a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2007/03/thomas-young.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;deep play&lt;/a&gt;" that is extremely important in context of trying to find that right word. While trying to find it, there must be this emotive attachment. It is about the process itself. It had to touch a "physical domain in the brain" for it to be retrievable, and holds vast importance? After that you own it. You reflect it?

You might say "do not trust this flash of insight" (Hirameki seems like a good word to me as well) from daily workings? It is an intuitive process, so "working it" after having it is extremely important. You have "defined the position" from which your are now seeing?

&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen#Koan_practice" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;i&gt;According to one view, a koan embodies a realized principle, or law of reality. Koans often appear paradoxical or linguistically meaningless dialogs or questions. The 'answer' to the koan involves a transformation of perspective or consciousness, which may be either radical or subtle, but not to be confused with the experience of metanoia in Christianity. They are a tool to allow the student to approach enlightenment by essentially 'short-circuiting' the logical way we order the world. In order to try to answer these often unanswerable problems, the thinker may be forced to create new mental pathways. Those pathways then may be useful for other problems, thus producing a "mind expansion" effect. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

One may say that it changes the "total perspective" so that in itself you have become a model of, the model worked. By example, a Koan holds something of "schematic value?" It leaves some thoughts "about the process in itself."

 It's sort of like creating an "open doorway," to new avenues of thought capable.  It is not "mystical by nature." It just is. New routes to the math never before seen?

Things can be conducive to it I think, yet in the practise of the koan,  is it about "knowing how deep one has to go?" A lot of stimuli can make it difficult for some, while "selective stimuli" can be found conducive in my opinion. Sitting by a river perhaps. The right Music in the background. Finding thought process in absences of our working day?

Those in the beginning may have to take the time to find that place in themself first and such stimuli may be counter productive. Listen to your own heart beat. How slow can it go and what does it reflect of what is happening with you?  One had to calm the waters before you can see into it's depths? This has an "emotive valuation" to it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am always trying to define this process myself. So some thoughts and hopefully it is not to long and takes up to much space.</p>
<p>I mention a issue about &#8220;<a href="http://eskesthai.blogspot.com/2007/03/thomas-young.html" rel="nofollow">deep play</a>&#8221; that is extremely important in context of trying to find that right word. While trying to find it, there must be this emotive attachment. It is about the process itself. It had to touch a &#8220;physical domain in the brain&#8221; for it to be retrievable, and holds vast importance? After that you own it. You reflect it?</p>
<p>You might say &#8220;do not trust this flash of insight&#8221; (Hirameki seems like a good word to me as well) from daily workings? It is an intuitive process, so &#8220;working it&#8221; after having it is extremely important. You have &#8220;defined the position&#8221; from which your are now seeing?</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen#Koan_practice" rel="nofollow"><i>According to one view, a koan embodies a realized principle, or law of reality. Koans often appear paradoxical or linguistically meaningless dialogs or questions. The &#8216;answer&#8217; to the koan involves a transformation of perspective or consciousness, which may be either radical or subtle, but not to be confused with the experience of metanoia in Christianity. They are a tool to allow the student to approach enlightenment by essentially &#8217;short-circuiting&#8217; the logical way we order the world. In order to try to answer these often unanswerable problems, the thinker may be forced to create new mental pathways. Those pathways then may be useful for other problems, thus producing a &#8220;mind expansion&#8221; effect. </i></a></p>
<p>One may say that it changes the &#8220;total perspective&#8221; so that in itself you have become a model of, the model worked. By example, a Koan holds something of &#8220;schematic value?&#8221; It leaves some thoughts &#8220;about the process in itself.&#8221;</p>
<p> It&#8217;s sort of like creating an &#8220;open doorway,&#8221; to new avenues of thought capable.  It is not &#8220;mystical by nature.&#8221; It just is. New routes to the math never before seen?</p>
<p>Things can be conducive to it I think, yet in the practise of the koan,  is it about &#8220;knowing how deep one has to go?&#8221; A lot of stimuli can make it difficult for some, while &#8220;selective stimuli&#8221; can be found conducive in my opinion. Sitting by a river perhaps. The right Music in the background. Finding thought process in absences of our working day?</p>
<p>Those in the beginning may have to take the time to find that place in themself first and such stimuli may be counter productive. Listen to your own heart beat. How slow can it go and what does it reflect of what is happening with you?  One had to calm the waters before you can see into it&#8217;s depths? This has an &#8220;emotive valuation&#8221; to it?</p>
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		<title>By: pala</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an honour it is to be able to  make a small contribution to your stimulating blog.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an honour it is to be able to  make a small contribution to your stimulating blog.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you! That is a great word! and the meaning  - "mental lightning", is just perfect - fantastic.

&lt;i&gt;Hirameki.&lt;/i&gt;

I think I have found my word!

Thank you very much.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! That is a great word! and the meaning  - &#8220;mental lightning&#8221;, is just perfect - fantastic.</p>
<p><i>Hirameki.</i></p>
<p>I think I have found my word!</p>
<p>Thank you very much.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: pala</title>
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		<dc:creator>pala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 08:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many comments are rich and deep in context.  Enjoyed reading all of them.

In Japanese language there is a word 'hirameki'- mental lightening.  It describes a moment when suddenly every single cell in your whole being is turned on by piercing insight or creative scintillation.  It adds the jolting sensation to 'eureka'.  It may not be as deep as 'quale', but more intuitive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many comments are rich and deep in context.  Enjoyed reading all of them.</p>
<p>In Japanese language there is a word &#8216;hirameki&#8217;- mental lightening.  It describes a moment when suddenly every single cell in your whole being is turned on by piercing insight or creative scintillation.  It adds the jolting sensation to &#8216;eureka&#8217;.  It may not be as deep as &#8216;quale&#8217;, but more intuitive.</p>
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		<title>By: TBB</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-30577</link>
		<dc:creator>TBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to revisit the idea of the &lt;b&gt;synaptic moments&lt;/b&gt;, the poem I was thinking of was not the one where I, in my oft-used absurdist tone, said the "synapses were synapsing, " it was a poem where I was trying to describe &lt;i&gt;the feeling&lt;/i&gt; and at the same time say what was &lt;i&gt;causing&lt;/i&gt; the feelings. I knew before I searched my boxes full of notebooks that I had an error in the beginning of the poem, and like Supernova's (and my own) recognition of pronouncing "misled" as "mizled," I suddenly felt embarrassed that I had never checked this error until now.  

The error was in the first line:

"You laughed when I said
the positive ions were jumping 
around in the air.
Yet could you explain the crackling
of the atmosphere - 
the way space took shape
and became alive?"

We were walking on the beach - it should have been &lt;b&gt;negative ions&lt;/b&gt;. And he was an artist and wasn't laughing because I was wrong, but because he didn't know any better and it sounded silly. Gee, nineteen years to fix a mistake in a poem!

Too bad I can't post the whole poem (it has not-for-public-consumption type of details), because it leads to the inexplicability of paintings and words to describe certain thoughts, in this case it was &lt;i&gt;desire&lt;/i&gt;. How does one paint &lt;i&gt;desire&lt;/i&gt;? But the whole notebook is rather interesting, at least to me right now, and I thank you &lt;b&gt;Clifford&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;b&gt;Supernova&lt;/b&gt; for leading me on a rather circuitous route to realizing some things. See what unknown ways a blog can touch someone?  :-)

Now I shall go back to freefalling...from leaving my job. Thanks again.

(I could not control the spacing between "shape" and "and became alive?" I don't know how to fix it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to revisit the idea of the <b>synaptic moments</b>, the poem I was thinking of was not the one where I, in my oft-used absurdist tone, said the &#8220;synapses were synapsing, &#8221; it was a poem where I was trying to describe <i>the feeling</i> and at the same time say what was <i>causing</i> the feelings. I knew before I searched my boxes full of notebooks that I had an error in the beginning of the poem, and like Supernova&#8217;s (and my own) recognition of pronouncing &#8220;misled&#8221; as &#8220;mizled,&#8221; I suddenly felt embarrassed that I had never checked this error until now.  </p>
<p>The error was in the first line:</p>
<p>&#8220;You laughed when I said<br />
the positive ions were jumping<br />
around in the air.<br />
Yet could you explain the crackling<br />
of the atmosphere -<br />
the way space took shape<br />
and became alive?&#8221;</p>
<p>We were walking on the beach - it should have been <b>negative ions</b>. And he was an artist and wasn&#8217;t laughing because I was wrong, but because he didn&#8217;t know any better and it sounded silly. Gee, nineteen years to fix a mistake in a poem!</p>
<p>Too bad I can&#8217;t post the whole poem (it has not-for-public-consumption type of details), because it leads to the inexplicability of paintings and words to describe certain thoughts, in this case it was <i>desire</i>. How does one paint <i>desire</i>? But the whole notebook is rather interesting, at least to me right now, and I thank you <b>Clifford</b> and <b>Supernova</b> for leading me on a rather circuitous route to realizing some things. See what unknown ways a blog can touch someone?  <img src='http://asymptotia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Now I shall go back to freefalling&#8230;from leaving my job. Thanks again.</p>
<p>(I could not control the spacing between &#8220;shape&#8221; and &#8220;and became alive?&#8221; I don&#8217;t know how to fix it.)</p>
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		<title>By: TBB</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-30185</link>
		<dc:creator>TBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your reply, &lt;b&gt;Supernova&lt;/b&gt;. :-) I had an issue with this word in a similar way and I can remember first reading it as "mizzled" and why and when I realized what I had been doing and that no one had corrected me. Like you, it was something more severe than misled - it was a combination that worked as "mind mauling" someone, so to speak (or at least that was my definition). I was sorry to see it go in a way. It had nothing to do with difficult words or not hearing it pronounced - it was how I read it in the context of the book I was reading at the time(I have so much written down since grade school that I am well aware of what words I knew long before this "misled" issue). It was something else, but I don't have the time to explain it all, and also, I don't feel very comfortable posting here, to be truthful.

I will say regarding these moments, that there are terms for them, and I recall a poem I wrote many years ago about &lt;b&gt;"synaptic moments."&lt;/b&gt; There's also Spalding Gray's "Swimming to Cambodia" topic of his &lt;b&gt;"perfect moment."&lt;/b&gt; These are similar in ways, because both signify the moment when "things come together" in your mind. 

In order for that to happen there has to be a "psychological moment" defined by Webster's as:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Main Entry: &lt;b&gt;psychological moment&lt;/b&gt;    
Function: noun
: the occasion when the mental atmosphere is most certain to be favorable to the full effect of an action or event (wait for the psychological moment to present a bold proposal)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would say more, but it's hard to be eloquent or thorough during work. But again, it's nice to know someone had an issue with "misled"...the Internet is a big place. I need to go find that poem...thanks for reminding me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your reply, <b>Supernova</b>. <img src='http://asymptotia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> I had an issue with this word in a similar way and I can remember first reading it as &#8220;mizzled&#8221; and why and when I realized what I had been doing and that no one had corrected me. Like you, it was something more severe than misled - it was a combination that worked as &#8220;mind mauling&#8221; someone, so to speak (or at least that was my definition). I was sorry to see it go in a way. It had nothing to do with difficult words or not hearing it pronounced - it was how I read it in the context of the book I was reading at the time(I have so much written down since grade school that I am well aware of what words I knew long before this &#8220;misled&#8221; issue). It was something else, but I don&#8217;t have the time to explain it all, and also, I don&#8217;t feel very comfortable posting here, to be truthful.</p>
<p>I will say regarding these moments, that there are terms for them, and I recall a poem I wrote many years ago about <b>&#8220;synaptic moments.&#8221;</b> There&#8217;s also Spalding Gray&#8217;s &#8220;Swimming to Cambodia&#8221; topic of his <b>&#8220;perfect moment.&#8221;</b> These are similar in ways, because both signify the moment when &#8220;things come together&#8221; in your mind. </p>
<p>In order for that to happen there has to be a &#8220;psychological moment&#8221; defined by Webster&#8217;s as:</p>
<blockquote><p>Main Entry: <b>psychological moment</b><br />
Function: noun<br />
: the occasion when the mental atmosphere is most certain to be favorable to the full effect of an action or event (wait for the psychological moment to present a bold proposal)</p></blockquote>
<p>I would say more, but it&#8217;s hard to be eloquent or thorough during work. But again, it&#8217;s nice to know someone had an issue with &#8220;misled&#8221;&#8230;the Internet is a big place. I need to go find that poem&#8230;thanks for reminding me.</p>
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		<title>By: Supernova</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-29992</link>
		<dc:creator>Supernova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi TBB,

By "causes and implications" I was trying to communicate that I felt the moment was not only the realization of a misconception, but also an experience that illuminated many other aspects of my life.  It had something to do with the fact that I was a fast and voracious reader as a young child, and often read words before I heard them pronounced.  It had something to do with the verbal puzzles and wordplay that fascinated me (and that I still enjoy -- despite being a scientist, I'm much better at remembering words and letters than numbers, and can manipulate them in my head much more easily).  It made me wonder what other words were out there that I was reading incorrectly and whether anyone else had ever made that mistake (I later met a friend who told the same story, so I suspect it's not uncommon).  And it made me think about words that don't exist in English, but should -- "misle" had some connection with "miser" in my mind, and connoted something meaner and sneakier to me than "mislead."

"Aha" indeed.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi TBB,</p>
<p>By &#8220;causes and implications&#8221; I was trying to communicate that I felt the moment was not only the realization of a misconception, but also an experience that illuminated many other aspects of my life.  It had something to do with the fact that I was a fast and voracious reader as a young child, and often read words before I heard them pronounced.  It had something to do with the verbal puzzles and wordplay that fascinated me (and that I still enjoy &#8212; despite being a scientist, I&#8217;m much better at remembering words and letters than numbers, and can manipulate them in my head much more easily).  It made me wonder what other words were out there that I was reading incorrectly and whether anyone else had ever made that mistake (I later met a friend who told the same story, so I suspect it&#8217;s not uncommon).  And it made me think about words that don&#8217;t exist in English, but should &#8212; &#8220;misle&#8221; had some connection with &#8220;miser&#8221; in my mind, and connoted something meaner and sneakier to me than &#8220;mislead.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Aha&#8221; indeed.  <img src='http://asymptotia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-29902</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi pedant,

Thanks for those thoughts. I must get around to reading that book one day.


I have not looked over at CV for a while. Will look for the article you mention and get back to you if there is anything to say. May take a day or two as I've just come back from a trip and have a backlog of things to do.

Cheers,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi pedant,</p>
<p>Thanks for those thoughts. I must get around to reading that book one day.</p>
<p>I have not looked over at CV for a while. Will look for the article you mention and get back to you if there is anything to say. May take a day or two as I&#8217;ve just come back from a trip and have a backlog of things to do.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: pedant</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-29892</link>
		<dc:creator>pedant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 'moment' is doubtless what captivates youngsters, and beckons them ever further on into a scientific career. Even my own scabrous life experience has provided examples of this. My first encounter with the charisma of science, at the grammar school close by, where we used to watch the boys play cricket on a Saturday afternoon; the chemistry master, discerning my ennui, suggested that i check out some spectacular photochromic reactions. (Flash forward to the twenty first century - no, he was not a paedophile. Rock on Mr. Heywood, you were a star; as a populariser of science, you were the CVJ of your day.) Back at primary school, show and tell, I was chastised for attempting to describe a visit to the lavatory (c.f. laboratory). Nonetheless I was hooked; thereafter the 'aha' moment has, from time to time, reared its lovely head and has continued to beguile me, even into late middle age. (Say it loud, grey is proud!) And what do I make of this seducer/seductress? It's been a blast when you get it right. Sad to say it's just as good when you get it wrong, until your bowels melt as you recognise a self-deluding oversight for what it is. Perhaps the most enchanting 'aha' moment I know of is that described by Penrose (somewhere in the emperor's new mind): after an extended period of mental exertion, he paused at an Oxford kerbside. He attempted to cross the road, and was almost mown down (Charles and Sebastian, perhaps, though RP is not quite that old). Even so, he is ecstatically happy, and, come the evening, feels compelled  to reconsider his day. It is only then that he remembers  a very, very good idea he had. Now that is a cracker.

BTW CVJ. what is your take on the 'cult of genius' debate currently raging over at your old stomping ground over at Cosmic Bariance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;moment&#8217; is doubtless what captivates youngsters, and beckons them ever further on into a scientific career. Even my own scabrous life experience has provided examples of this. My first encounter with the charisma of science, at the grammar school close by, where we used to watch the boys play cricket on a Saturday afternoon; the chemistry master, discerning my ennui, suggested that i check out some spectacular photochromic reactions. (Flash forward to the twenty first century - no, he was not a paedophile. Rock on Mr. Heywood, you were a star; as a populariser of science, you were the CVJ of your day.) Back at primary school, show and tell, I was chastised for attempting to describe a visit to the lavatory (c.f. laboratory). Nonetheless I was hooked; thereafter the &#8216;aha&#8217; moment has, from time to time, reared its lovely head and has continued to beguile me, even into late middle age. (Say it loud, grey is proud!) And what do I make of this seducer/seductress? It&#8217;s been a blast when you get it right. Sad to say it&#8217;s just as good when you get it wrong, until your bowels melt as you recognise a self-deluding oversight for what it is. Perhaps the most enchanting &#8216;aha&#8217; moment I know of is that described by Penrose (somewhere in the emperor&#8217;s new mind): after an extended period of mental exertion, he paused at an Oxford kerbside. He attempted to cross the road, and was almost mown down (Charles and Sebastian, perhaps, though RP is not quite that old). Even so, he is ecstatically happy, and, come the evening, feels compelled  to reconsider his day. It is only then that he remembers  a very, very good idea he had. Now that is a cracker.</p>
<p>BTW CVJ. what is your take on the &#8216;cult of genius&#8217; debate currently raging over at your old stomping ground over at Cosmic Bariance?</p>
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		<title>By: TBB</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-29866</link>
		<dc:creator>TBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 04:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Supernova, I found your comment to be extremely interesting. And regarding this:

"At some point I made the connection, realizing my error along with all its causes and implications."

What do you think the causes and implications were? I'd very much like the favor of a reply, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supernova, I found your comment to be extremely interesting. And regarding this:</p>
<p>&#8220;At some point I made the connection, realizing my error along with all its causes and implications.&#8221;</p>
<p>What do you think the causes and implications were? I&#8217;d very much like the favor of a reply, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-29863</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sara.... please tell us more about what a localizer and a glidescope are and what you use them for!! I'm curious...

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara&#8230;. please tell us more about what a localizer and a glidescope are and what you use them for!! I&#8217;m curious&#8230;</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-29860</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This might be an antithesis feeling in a way, but it still requires intellect:  the feeling one gets when one performs a very complex thinking and acting task totally smoothly, having integrated all the various steps that make it up.

This is kind of a "Zen-like" or "smooth" or "connected" feeling.  

My favorite example is when I NAIL an ILS approach - totally on the localizer and the glideslope, making the only infinitesimally necessary changes to maintain the cross section of both, and being on the right time sequence and doing it seemingly effortlessly and it all just works, me and the plane and the approach and the runway coming up and ATC, etc.

Sara T.
(noticing once again when I've not flown for a few weeks I talk about it alot more!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might be an antithesis feeling in a way, but it still requires intellect:  the feeling one gets when one performs a very complex thinking and acting task totally smoothly, having integrated all the various steps that make it up.</p>
<p>This is kind of a &#8220;Zen-like&#8221; or &#8220;smooth&#8221; or &#8220;connected&#8221; feeling.  </p>
<p>My favorite example is when I NAIL an ILS approach - totally on the localizer and the glideslope, making the only infinitesimally necessary changes to maintain the cross section of both, and being on the right time sequence and doing it seemingly effortlessly and it all just works, me and the plane and the approach and the runway coming up and ATC, etc.</p>
<p>Sara T.<br />
(noticing once again when I&#8217;ve not flown for a few weeks I talk about it alot more!)</p>
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		<title>By: Supernova</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-29637</link>
		<dc:creator>Supernova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm coming late to the discussion, but just had to add my own linguistic "aha" moment.  I was probably around 20 or so when I finally realized there was no verb "to misle" (pronounced in my head MY-zel), and that the word I had always read as the past tense of "misle" was really the past tense of "mislead."  Of course I knew the word "mislead" and its various forms, but had tended to read the written word "misled" incorrectly when I encountered it in print.  At some point I made the connection, realizing my error along with all its causes and implications.  Unfortunately, it was a realization that made me feel silly, but that's the way it goes sometimes.  :)

I've been lucky enough to have a few scientific "aha" moments too, and the feeling is amazingly addictive.  I sometimes think we all became scientists simply in order to chase that feeling!  "Serendipity" is another term that captures some of its aspects, but certainly not all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m coming late to the discussion, but just had to add my own linguistic &#8220;aha&#8221; moment.  I was probably around 20 or so when I finally realized there was no verb &#8220;to misle&#8221; (pronounced in my head MY-zel), and that the word I had always read as the past tense of &#8220;misle&#8221; was really the past tense of &#8220;mislead.&#8221;  Of course I knew the word &#8220;mislead&#8221; and its various forms, but had tended to read the written word &#8220;misled&#8221; incorrectly when I encountered it in print.  At some point I made the connection, realizing my error along with all its causes and implications.  Unfortunately, it was a realization that made me feel silly, but that&#8217;s the way it goes sometimes.  <img src='http://asymptotia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been lucky enough to have a few scientific &#8220;aha&#8221; moments too, and the feeling is amazingly addictive.  I sometimes think we all became scientists simply in order to chase that feeling!  &#8220;Serendipity&#8221; is another term that captures some of its aspects, but certainly not all.</p>
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		<title>By: pedant</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-29193</link>
		<dc:creator>pedant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moloko - a name check for the 'old moloko plus', a pharmaceutically enhanced beverage 'peeted'  by Alex, Dim and the other droogs in A Clockwork Orange. This dystopian tale has spawned several group names - perhaps our host remembers Heaven Seventeen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moloko - a name check for the &#8216;old moloko plus&#8217;, a pharmaceutically enhanced beverage &#8216;peeted&#8217;  by Alex, Dim and the other droogs in A Clockwork Orange. This dystopian tale has spawned several group names - perhaps our host remembers Heaven Seventeen</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron F.</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-29119</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;All I can say is, you ainâ€™t no Mick Jagger because you certainly can get satisfaction.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Wow... I derive immense satisfaction from singing along with "I can't get no satisfaction." I didn't realize how weird that was until now... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>All I can say is, you ainâ€™t no Mick Jagger because you certainly can get satisfaction.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow&#8230; I derive immense satisfaction from singing along with &#8220;I can&#8217;t get no satisfaction.&#8221; I didn&#8217;t realize how weird that was until now&#8230; <img src='http://asymptotia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-29108</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is, you ain't no Mick Jagger because you certainly can get satisfaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is, you ain&#8217;t no Mick Jagger because you certainly can get satisfaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-29094</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IP:- Well, those will have to wait for another time, or blog post, perhaps.

Cheers,


-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IP:- Well, those will have to wait for another time, or blog post, perhaps.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: IrrationalPoint</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-29083</link>
		<dc:creator>IrrationalPoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the cows were on parade in Edinburgh last summer.

Also, I'm with Feynman -- self-gratification, and the Feeling, can be useful, but that's not why we do them.

Out of curiousity, what were your other four top favourite feelings?

--IP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the cows were on parade in Edinburgh last summer.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m with Feynman &#8212; self-gratification, and the Feeling, can be useful, but that&#8217;s not why we do them.</p>
<p>Out of curiousity, what were your other four top favourite feelings?</p>
<p>&#8211;IP</p>
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		<title>By: serafino</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-29067</link>
		<dc:creator>serafino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Italian philosopher Silvio Ceccato told me the word they use (or they used) in Vicenza and perhaps also in Venice, for that purpose.
It is 'or'. 
Now I must say that 'or' sounds and means both 'oro' [gold] and 'ora' [now]. 
So you can understand why they use (or they used in the past) that expression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Italian philosopher Silvio Ceccato told me the word they use (or they used) in Vicenza and perhaps also in Venice, for that purpose.<br />
It is &#8216;or&#8217;.<br />
Now I must say that &#8216;or&#8217; sounds and means both &#8216;oro&#8217; [gold] and &#8216;ora&#8217; [now].<br />
So you can understand why they use (or they used in the past) that expression.</p>
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		<title>By: Bee</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-29065</link>
		<dc:creator>Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Thereâ€™s a ton of absolutely vital stuff out there thatâ€™s being done by people who hate doing it, but have little choice.&lt;/i&gt;

well, we all have to do stuff we hate, but I see what you mean. By 'making the difference' I didn't mean to say the rest isn't important. But I'd also like to mention that what we do on our 'job' isn't it. The German word for profession is 'Beruf' which means actually more a 'calling' or so. I've always thought this applies to far more than what-you-do-to-pay-the-rent. It's more about finding your place in the world, but that doesn't have to be in your job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Thereâ€™s a ton of absolutely vital stuff out there thatâ€™s being done by people who hate doing it, but have little choice.</i></p>
<p>well, we all have to do stuff we hate, but I see what you mean. By &#8216;making the difference&#8217; I didn&#8217;t mean to say the rest isn&#8217;t important. But I&#8217;d also like to mention that what we do on our &#8216;job&#8217; isn&#8217;t it. The German word for profession is &#8216;Beruf&#8217; which means actually more a &#8216;calling&#8217; or so. I&#8217;ve always thought this applies to far more than what-you-do-to-pay-the-rent. It&#8217;s more about finding your place in the world, but that doesn&#8217;t have to be in your job.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-29063</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Itâ€™s without any doubt that those of us who genuinely love their job are the ones that make the difference."

I'll have to sound a word or two of caution there. There's a ton of absolutely vital stuff out there that's being done by people who hate doing it, but have little choice. We must not forget.


As for the cows... yes, they are brilliant. And don't forget the various painted cows that you can find on the sidewalks of various cities.... "cows on parade". I used to love those. Are they still happening, or did that all stop?

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Itâ€™s without any doubt that those of us who genuinely love their job are the ones that make the difference.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to sound a word or two of caution there. There&#8217;s a ton of absolutely vital stuff out there that&#8217;s being done by people who hate doing it, but have little choice. We must not forget.</p>
<p>As for the cows&#8230; yes, they are brilliant. And don&#8217;t forget the various painted cows that you can find on the sidewalks of various cities&#8230;. &#8220;cows on parade&#8221;. I used to love those. Are they still happening, or did that all stop?</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Bee</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/18/that-feeling/#comment-29041</link>
		<dc:creator>Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;or much of what we do will then be more easily dismissed as a type of self-gratification that serves nobody else&lt;/i&gt;

Evolution doesn't work unless the happiness of one is tuned to the progress and well-being of the whole. It's without any doubt that those of us who genuinely love their job are the ones that make the difference.  

... sorry, can't resist:

&lt;i&gt;"Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."&lt;/i&gt;   --  Richard P. Feynman 

@Amara: Thanks for the cows :-), it did make me laugh. (Sometimes these comment section surely drift off into the absurd, so I'll try to avoid more free association).

Best,

B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>or much of what we do will then be more easily dismissed as a type of self-gratification that serves nobody else</i></p>
<p>Evolution doesn&#8217;t work unless the happiness of one is tuned to the progress and well-being of the whole. It&#8217;s without any doubt that those of us who genuinely love their job are the ones that make the difference.  </p>
<p>&#8230; sorry, can&#8217;t resist:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that&#8217;s not why we do it.&#8221;</i>   &#8212;  Richard P. Feynman </p>
<p>@Amara: Thanks for the cows :-), it did make me laugh. (Sometimes these comment section surely drift off into the absurd, so I&#8217;ll try to avoid more free association).</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>B.</p>
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