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		<title>By: Stephen Uitti</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/16/b-flat-but-stay-sharp/#comment-30234</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Uitti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's an equal tempered scale, so you might think it doesn't matter.  But i've heard the Moonlight Sonata in C minor, rather than the original C# minor.  It's only a half step down, but it's clearly not as good.  Many modern electronic keyboards can shift the sound up or down, and you play whatever.  So, one could play the easier C minor, but have the sound come out C# minor (assuming the musician isn't totally thrown by this - i have relative pitch, so it doesn't matter to me).

Why does it sound different?  Well, the Moonlight uses up quite a bit of keyboard.  It can't be played on a five octave 61 key organ style keyboard, for example.  And, the ear doesn't have the same response up and down the scale.  Three octaves below A 440 is only 55 Hz.  That's near the lower limit of human hearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an equal tempered scale, so you might think it doesn&#8217;t matter.  But i&#8217;ve heard the Moonlight Sonata in C minor, rather than the original C# minor.  It&#8217;s only a half step down, but it&#8217;s clearly not as good.  Many modern electronic keyboards can shift the sound up or down, and you play whatever.  So, one could play the easier C minor, but have the sound come out C# minor (assuming the musician isn&#8217;t totally thrown by this - i have relative pitch, so it doesn&#8217;t matter to me).</p>
<p>Why does it sound different?  Well, the Moonlight uses up quite a bit of keyboard.  It can&#8217;t be played on a five octave 61 key organ style keyboard, for example.  And, the ear doesn&#8217;t have the same response up and down the scale.  Three octaves below A 440 is only 55 Hz.  That&#8217;s near the lower limit of human hearing.</p>
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		<title>By: Plato</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/16/b-flat-but-stay-sharp/#comment-28481</link>
		<dc:creator>Plato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we were ever in a truer form before we solidified our experiences, the way we all like to do, how would we see the "earlier understanding of sound?" This may be part of the integration that we need to recognize again? The "sound label" I use on name will help to clarify a little more. "All" in good fun :)

&lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/31/arts/music/31thom.html?ex=1168750800&#38;en=ae8c5ff8301fd29b&#38;ei=5070" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;i&gt;This summer he published â€œThis Is Your Brain on Musicâ€ (Dutton), a laypersonâ€™s guide to the emerging neuroscience of music. Dr. Levitin is an unusually deft interpreter, full of striking scientific trivia. For example we learn that babies begin life with synesthesia, the trippy confusion that makes people experience sounds as smells or tastes as colors. Or that the cerebellum, a part of the brain that helps govern movement, is also wired to the ears and produces some of our emotional responses to music. His experiments have even suggested that watching a musician perform affects brain chemistry differently from listening to a recording.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we were ever in a truer form before we solidified our experiences, the way we all like to do, how would we see the &#8220;earlier understanding of sound?&#8221; This may be part of the integration that we need to recognize again? The &#8220;sound label&#8221; I use on name will help to clarify a little more. &#8220;All&#8221; in good fun <img src='http://asymptotia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/31/arts/music/31thom.html?ex=1168750800&amp;en=ae8c5ff8301fd29b&amp;ei=5070" rel="nofollow"><i>This summer he published â€œThis Is Your Brain on Musicâ€ (Dutton), a laypersonâ€™s guide to the emerging neuroscience of music. Dr. Levitin is an unusually deft interpreter, full of striking scientific trivia. For example we learn that babies begin life with synesthesia, the trippy confusion that makes people experience sounds as smells or tastes as colors. Or that the cerebellum, a part of the brain that helps govern movement, is also wired to the ears and produces some of our emotional responses to music. His experiments have even suggested that watching a musician perform affects brain chemistry differently from listening to a recording.</i></a></p>
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		<title>By: DancingBear</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/16/b-flat-but-stay-sharp/#comment-28447</link>
		<dc:creator>DancingBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only BHs sing in Bb (surely some of them prefer F#), but also, a veritable &lt;b&gt;inflationary period&lt;/b&gt; &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_(music)#Pitch_inflation" rel="nofollow"&gt;occurred in music&lt;/a&gt; in the last three centuries.

"At the beginning of the 17th century, Michael Praetorius reported in his encyclopedic Syntagma musicum that pitch levels had become so high that singers were experiencing severe throat strain and lutenists and viol players were complaining of snapped strings [...] At La Scala in Milan, the A above middle C rose as high as 451 Hz."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only BHs sing in Bb (surely some of them prefer F#), but also, a veritable <b>inflationary period</b> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_(music)#Pitch_inflation" rel="nofollow">occurred in music</a> in the last three centuries.</p>
<p>&#8220;At the beginning of the 17th century, Michael Praetorius reported in his encyclopedic Syntagma musicum that pitch levels had become so high that singers were experiencing severe throat strain and lutenists and viol players were complaining of snapped strings [...] At La Scala in Milan, the A above middle C rose as high as 451 Hz.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/16/b-flat-but-stay-sharp/#comment-28401</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! Lots of them.... Phrygian indeed, and others among the modes. I'm not sure if I have a favourite...Maybe it is Phrygian. I also like arious modifications of the minor scales.... etc. All been so long since I've done much... planning to start again.... will almost be a beginner again....


-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! Lots of them&#8230;. Phrygian indeed, and others among the modes. I&#8217;m not sure if I have a favourite&#8230;Maybe it is Phrygian. I also like arious modifications of the minor scales&#8230;. etc. All been so long since I&#8217;ve done much&#8230; planning to start again&#8230;. will almost be a beginner again&#8230;.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/16/b-flat-but-stay-sharp/#comment-28399</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clifford,

Do you like any modes, outside of the regular major and minor scales?

In the past, I liked playing around with modes like Phrygian, Phrygian Dominant, and Locrian.

Locrian has sort of a weird sound I like.  It's missing a major 5th interval.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clifford,</p>
<p>Do you like any modes, outside of the regular major and minor scales?</p>
<p>In the past, I liked playing around with modes like Phrygian, Phrygian Dominant, and Locrian.</p>
<p>Locrian has sort of a weird sound I like.  It&#8217;s missing a major 5th interval.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 05:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was use to playing the guitar with all the strings tuned down a half step (ie. where the E string was tuned to E flat, etc ...).  It was slightly easier to do things like string bending between notes.

One time I tried playing a 7-string guitar with all the strings tuned down a half step, where the extra (low) B string was tuned to B flat.  It sounded kind of odd at first.  It seemed like the sort of sound which takes an acquired taste to get use to, whether something was played in B flat major or minor.  In contrast on a normal six string guitar, it's always tempting to play in the key of E major or minor.  (Or with all the six strings tuned down a half step, E flat major or minor).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was use to playing the guitar with all the strings tuned down a half step (ie. where the E string was tuned to E flat, etc &#8230;).  It was slightly easier to do things like string bending between notes.</p>
<p>One time I tried playing a 7-string guitar with all the strings tuned down a half step, where the extra (low) B string was tuned to B flat.  It sounded kind of odd at first.  It seemed like the sort of sound which takes an acquired taste to get use to, whether something was played in B flat major or minor.  In contrast on a normal six string guitar, it&#8217;s always tempting to play in the key of E major or minor.  (Or with all the six strings tuned down a half step, E flat major or minor).</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/16/b-flat-but-stay-sharp/#comment-28370</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have perfect pitch??!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have perfect pitch??!</p>
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		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/16/b-flat-but-stay-sharp/#comment-28368</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bee can watch too!
http://beelinetv.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bee can watch too!<br />
<a href="http://beelinetv.com/" rel="nofollow">http://beelinetv.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bee</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/16/b-flat-but-stay-sharp/#comment-28359</link>
		<dc:creator>Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stars might not sing in B flat, but B is listening in her flat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stars might not sing in B flat, but B is listening in her flat.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bb is probably popular because trumpet, tenor sax and other
instruments are Bb instruments but are written in C.
So it is easier for a trumpet player to play a song in Bb
(because they act as if it is in C).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bb is probably popular because trumpet, tenor sax and other<br />
instruments are Bb instruments but are written in C.<br />
So it is easier for a trumpet player to play a song in Bb<br />
(because they act as if it is in C).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Clapham</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/16/b-flat-but-stay-sharp/#comment-28341</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Clapham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B flat is a pretty common key for jazz and marching band music, but less so for classical music (doesn't go well with A-strings). And probably not common in pop music (basic guitar chords are C, G, and D).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B flat is a pretty common key for jazz and marching band music, but less so for classical music (doesn&#8217;t go well with A-strings). And probably not common in pop music (basic guitar chords are C, G, and D).</p>
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		<title>By: spyder</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/16/b-flat-but-stay-sharp/#comment-28337</link>
		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Golly, and i thought this would be full of apartment jokes.  Then again, the Beatles thought C major was the be all and end all of chords, and Mahler did like D minor some.  Who would have thunk that a blackhole would have a B flat harmonic resonance frequency???  Could Pythagoras and Kepler have been "tuned in" to the subtle music of the heavenly bodies; was Oderberg and Roark just reiterating???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golly, and i thought this would be full of apartment jokes.  Then again, the Beatles thought C major was the be all and end all of chords, and Mahler did like D minor some.  Who would have thunk that a blackhole would have a B flat harmonic resonance frequency???  Could Pythagoras and Kepler have been &#8220;tuned in&#8221; to the subtle music of the heavenly bodies; was Oderberg and Roark just reiterating???</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/16/b-flat-but-stay-sharp/#comment-28335</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall a (very likely apocryphal) tale about Eric Satie, who upon finding a stray B flat, was so disgusted that he had to call for his butler to remove it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall a (very likely apocryphal) tale about Eric Satie, who upon finding a stray B flat, was so disgusted that he had to call for his butler to remove it.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/02/16/b-flat-but-stay-sharp/#comment-28323</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here I thought the preeminent occurrence of the note was "Jumping Jack Flash".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here I thought the preeminent occurrence of the note was &#8220;Jumping Jack Flash&#8221;.</p>
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