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		<title>By: theoreticalminimum</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/01/08/all-hands-on-deck/#comment-24352</link>
		<dc:creator>theoreticalminimum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 05:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"&lt;i&gt;I spent all that time talking about &lt;b&gt;critical phenomena, scaling, phase transitions, and low dimensional field theory&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;"

I was introduced to these ideas in a statistical mechanics class I took in my honours year at an Australian university. The stuff that got me most excited when I took that course were mean-field theory, real-space renormalisation and renormalisation in QFT. I was taking a QFT course at the time, and I found that learning about renormalisation in a statistical field-theoretic context was actually more intuitively appealing. 

One thing that took me by surprise, I must say, was to overhear the lecturer of the Stat. Mech. course say the following when asked by an astronomy Masters student about the quality of honours courses at the university:
"... and I think QFT should not be a course that everybody should do, because not many come to make use of it ..." (this is a first order approximation of part of his statement).
Wow, I mean, this guy just spent 6 weeks teaching us some basic ideas about QFT, but he actually is against the idea of having a QFT course for honours. Sometimes, it seems, I don't even understand some physicists...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>I spent all that time talking about <b>critical phenomena, scaling, phase transitions, and low dimensional field theory</b></i>&#8221;</p>
<p>I was introduced to these ideas in a statistical mechanics class I took in my honours year at an Australian university. The stuff that got me most excited when I took that course were mean-field theory, real-space renormalisation and renormalisation in QFT. I was taking a QFT course at the time, and I found that learning about renormalisation in a statistical field-theoretic context was actually more intuitively appealing. </p>
<p>One thing that took me by surprise, I must say, was to overhear the lecturer of the Stat. Mech. course say the following when asked by an astronomy Masters student about the quality of honours courses at the university:<br />
&#8220;&#8230; and I think QFT should not be a course that everybody should do, because not many come to make use of it &#8230;&#8221; (this is a first order approximation of part of his statement).<br />
Wow, I mean, this guy just spent 6 weeks teaching us some basic ideas about QFT, but he actually is against the idea of having a QFT course for honours. Sometimes, it seems, I don&#8217;t even understand some physicists&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: agm</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/01/08/all-hands-on-deck/#comment-24344</link>
		<dc:creator>agm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must admit, aside from some of the playful sarcasm and "defensiveness" (as the post that led me here poked fun at this), this is one of the better defenses of string theory I've seen in a long time. 

Too bad it's entirely too reasonable for Motl to get behind (insert instigator smiley here).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit, aside from some of the playful sarcasm and &#8220;defensiveness&#8221; (as the post that led me here poked fun at this), this is one of the better defenses of string theory I&#8217;ve seen in a long time. </p>
<p>Too bad it&#8217;s entirely too reasonable for Motl to get behind (insert instigator smiley here).</p>
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		<title>By: nigel cook</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/01/08/all-hands-on-deck/#comment-24289</link>
		<dc:creator>nigel cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"... It is a fantastic framework for &lt;i&gt;training good physicists&lt;/i&gt; ..."

Algebra and trigonometry were developed by in the middle ages by people trying to work with Ptolemies earth-centred-universe, so you can get good spin-offs even if the basic idea turns out wrong in some sense.  You're right that it is definitely a "fantastic" framework!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; It is a fantastic framework for <i>training good physicists</i> &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Algebra and trigonometry were developed by in the middle ages by people trying to work with Ptolemies earth-centred-universe, so you can get good spin-offs even if the basic idea turns out wrong in some sense.  You&#8217;re right that it is definitely a &#8220;fantastic&#8221; framework!</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/01/08/all-hands-on-deck/#comment-24156</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haelfix:- I will be talking a lot about gauge theories, and illustrating the things that can be learned about them using string constructions. Using branes, quiver gauge theories are extremely natural objects to emerge, and will definitely make lots of appearances.

Cheers,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haelfix:- I will be talking a lot about gauge theories, and illustrating the things that can be learned about them using string constructions. Using branes, quiver gauge theories are extremely natural objects to emerge, and will definitely make lots of appearances.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/01/08/all-hands-on-deck/#comment-24136</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same holds true, in a more elementary way, for those of us who took Barton Zwiebach's "string theory for undergraduates" class (the course which became the book &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.cambridge.org/us/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521831437" rel="nofollow"&gt;A First Course in String Theory&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;).  It sharpened our grasp on Lagrangian mechanics, special relativity, quantum field theory, statistical mechanics, Riemann surfaces, fun math tricks like analytic continuation, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same holds true, in a more elementary way, for those of us who took Barton Zwiebach&#8217;s &#8220;string theory for undergraduates&#8221; class (the course which became the book <i><a href="http://www.cambridge.org/us/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521831437" rel="nofollow">A First Course in String Theory</a></i>).  It sharpened our grasp on Lagrangian mechanics, special relativity, quantum field theory, statistical mechanics, Riemann surfaces, fun math tricks like analytic continuation, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Haelfix</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/01/08/all-hands-on-deck/#comment-24132</link>
		<dc:creator>Haelfix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would teach them Quiver gauge theory if you get the chance.  I know it was a little opaque to me at first from books/papers when I learned it a year ago or so by myself, and its an important area of active research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would teach them Quiver gauge theory if you get the chance.  I know it was a little opaque to me at first from books/papers when I learned it a year ago or so by myself, and its an important area of active research.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/01/08/all-hands-on-deck/#comment-24100</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 05:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;

My point here is that â€œSelected Topics in Particle Physicsâ€ includes hep-ph as much as it does hep-th, and there are places where hep-ph gives hints on where hep-th is eventually going to have to go, as hep-ph is more closely tied to hep-ex.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Absolutely, but they had their phenomenology course last semester. I'll teach them what I have expertise in, and that does not include phenomenology -at least not yet. My job is to teach them the more &lt;em&gt;formal&lt;/em&gt; tools that they need... So my selection will be leaning toward those topics. But who knows? We might find ourselves in unexpected waters.

Cheers,

-cvj</description>
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<p>My point here is that â€œSelected Topics in Particle Physicsâ€ includes hep-ph as much as it does hep-th, and there are places where hep-ph gives hints on where hep-th is eventually going to have to go, as hep-ph is more closely tied to hep-ex.</p>
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<p>Absolutely, but they had their phenomenology course last semester. I&#8217;ll teach them what I have expertise in, and that does not include phenomenology -at least not yet. My job is to teach them the more <em>formal</em> tools that they need&#8230; So my selection will be leaning toward those topics. But who knows? We might find ourselves in unexpected waters.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Brannen</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/01/08/all-hands-on-deck/#comment-24098</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Brannen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 04:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an invitation to comment.  The biggest problem with the standard model, and what every grad student would like to solve, right now is its having too many parameters.  But it's not at all clear that that many parameters are needed.  As an example, choose an "average mass" for the charged leptons of:

[tex]m = 313.85602885391329 \;\textrm{MeV}[/tex]

We've used one degree of freedom.  Now choose the interesting pure number:

[tex]\delta_1 = 0.22222204717,[/tex]

just a bit below 2/9.  You can call that one more degree of freedom, but the number is so close to 2/9 that you might prefer to think of it as 2/9 to first order, with a small correction.  Now compute:

[tex]m_n = m (1 + \sqrt{2}\cos(\delta_1 + 2n\pi/3))^2 [/tex]

Since the cosine is cyclic, there are only three different values for m_n.  They are:
[tex]\begin{array}{rcl}
m_1 &#38;=&#38; m_e,\\
m_2 &#38;=&#38; m_\mu,\\
m_3 &#38;=&#38; m_\tau. \end{array}[/tex]

Not only are these values good for current experimental measurement (i.e. electron mass known to 10 decimal places, etc.), each is close to dead center in the error bars.  At the very least one degree of freedom has been removed from the masses, perhaps two.  This is a generalization of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koide_formula" rel="nofollow"&gt; the Koide relation.&lt;/a&gt;

My point here is that "Selected Topics in Particle Physics" includes hep-ph as much as it does hep-th, and there are places where hep-ph gives hints on where hep-th is eventually going to have to go, as hep-ph is more closely tied to hep-ex.

Now the above formula is not at all explained in current theory (which is devoted to perturbation calculations quite worthless for 10 digit accuracy of particle masses).  What your grad students need are topics that fascinate them, subjects that are so interesting that they will sacrifice the time required to pursue them to their ends.  The obvious stuff that they can see in the textbooks doesn't need to be in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an invitation to comment.  The biggest problem with the standard model, and what every grad student would like to solve, right now is its having too many parameters.  But it&#8217;s not at all clear that that many parameters are needed.  As an example, choose an &#8220;average mass&#8221; for the charged leptons of:</p>
<p><img src='http://asymptotia.com/mimetex/pictures/86a1ccf6d25ec98624f5787552ac03df.gif' title='m = 313.85602885391329 \;\textrm{MeV}' alt='m = 313.85602885391329 \;\textrm{MeV}' align=absmiddle/></p>
<p>We&#8217;ve used one degree of freedom.  Now choose the interesting pure number:</p>
<p><img src='http://asymptotia.com/mimetex/pictures/a80535920c472ec40818eb257e77bd26.gif' title='\delta_1 = 0.22222204717,' alt='\delta_1 = 0.22222204717,' align=absmiddle/></p>
<p>just a bit below 2/9.  You can call that one more degree of freedom, but the number is so close to 2/9 that you might prefer to think of it as 2/9 to first order, with a small correction.  Now compute:</p>
<p><img src='http://asymptotia.com/mimetex/pictures/a28f3aff1c2509dfa6503177d5204a9a.gif' title='m_n = m (1 + \sqrt{2}\cos(\delta_1 + 2n\pi/3))^2 ' alt='m_n = m (1 + \sqrt{2}\cos(\delta_1 + 2n\pi/3))^2 ' align=absmiddle/></p>
<p>Since the cosine is cyclic, there are only three different values for m_n.  They are:<br />
<img src='http://asymptotia.com/mimetex/pictures/8e0fc74b9c103ba7c084031bd056bc49.gif' title='\begin{array}{rcl}&#13;&#10;m_1 &amp;amp;=&amp;amp; m_e,\\&#13;&#10;m_2 &amp;amp;=&amp;amp; m_\mu,\\&#13;&#10;m_3 &amp;amp;=&amp;amp; m_\tau. \end{array}' alt='\begin{array}{rcl}&#13;&#10;m_1 &amp;amp;=&amp;amp; m_e,\\&#13;&#10;m_2 &amp;amp;=&amp;amp; m_\mu,\\&#13;&#10;m_3 &amp;amp;=&amp;amp; m_\tau. \end{array}' align=absmiddle/></p>
<p>Not only are these values good for current experimental measurement (i.e. electron mass known to 10 decimal places, etc.), each is close to dead center in the error bars.  At the very least one degree of freedom has been removed from the masses, perhaps two.  This is a generalization of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koide_formula" rel="nofollow"> the Koide relation.</a></p>
<p>My point here is that &#8220;Selected Topics in Particle Physics&#8221; includes hep-ph as much as it does hep-th, and there are places where hep-ph gives hints on where hep-th is eventually going to have to go, as hep-ph is more closely tied to hep-ex.</p>
<p>Now the above formula is not at all explained in current theory (which is devoted to perturbation calculations quite worthless for 10 digit accuracy of particle masses).  What your grad students need are topics that fascinate them, subjects that are so interesting that they will sacrifice the time required to pursue them to their ends.  The obvious stuff that they can see in the textbooks doesn&#8217;t need to be in there.</p>
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