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		<title>By: Twenty Thousand Bikes - Asymptotia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twenty Thousand Bikes - Asymptotia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Cycling in traffic is a bad, dangerous thing.&#8221; Not necessarily. There&#8217;s so much to say about this, and much has been said. See an earlier post (or two) with links, here here. Most of the claims of danger are made out of ignorance, and over-simplification, frankly. In some of the stories about the Velib system, people are pointing to all their favourite stories about people getting killed by lorries, and the like. All terrible, sure, but where are all the stories about people who were killed in cars that same day, or all the people who cycled that day for whom there were no accidents at all? On a more personal level, another advantage of LA is how easy it is to find a route to where you are going by using side streets that there are few or no cars on at all. The people I know who say things about how dangerous it is to cycle in LA are always thinking of cycling along the same streets they drive on. This is due to lack of local knowledge. Most drivers just don&#8217;t know the streets. For short journeys especially, people will be able to get around on these bikes without much contact with traffic, if they choose carefully. The few times you might have to go on a major bit of road you&#8217;re not confident of - just get off the bike and walk it for a stretch (or cycle on the sidewalk - hardly anybody&#8217;s using them anyway!) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Cycling in traffic is a bad, dangerous thing.&#8221; Not necessarily. There&#8217;s so much to say about this, and much has been said. See an earlier post (or two) with links, here here. Most of the claims of danger are made out of ignorance, and over-simplification, frankly. In some of the stories about the Velib system, people are pointing to all their favourite stories about people getting killed by lorries, and the like. All terrible, sure, but where are all the stories about people who were killed in cars that same day, or all the people who cycled that day for whom there were no accidents at all? On a more personal level, another advantage of LA is how easy it is to find a route to where you are going by using side streets that there are few or no cars on at all. The people I know who say things about how dangerous it is to cycle in LA are always thinking of cycling along the same streets they drive on. This is due to lack of local knowledge. Most drivers just don&#8217;t know the streets. For short journeys especially, people will be able to get around on these bikes without much contact with traffic, if they choose carefully. The few times you might have to go on a major bit of road you&#8217;re not confident of - just get off the bike and walk it for a stretch (or cycle on the sidewalk - hardly anybody&#8217;s using them anyway!) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Location, Location, Location - Asymptotia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Location, Location, Location - Asymptotia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some interesting news in the outreach mission. From time to time, Asymptotia posts get picked up by some of the local blogs of note, such as LA Observed, and that&#8217;s just great, since many things I talk about here are right at the intersection of local interest and the arts and sciences, especially education (such as talking in a local school), events such as the Categorically Not! ones at Santa Monica Airport, and issues such as the environment, in addition to the pure fun stuff, and the tasty stuff. For example, Kevin Roderick at LA Observed was kind enough to mention the posts about the Griffith Observatory (the new relaunch, and the controversy about the use of actors in the planetarium show), judging at the Science Fair at the California Science Center, as well as the post on the open day at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory , and the post about cycling in the city (perhaps in combination with public transportation, as an alternative to blindly using your car/SUV for most journeys). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some interesting news in the outreach mission. From time to time, Asymptotia posts get picked up by some of the local blogs of note, such as LA Observed, and that&#8217;s just great, since many things I talk about here are right at the intersection of local interest and the arts and sciences, especially education (such as talking in a local school), events such as the Categorically Not! ones at Santa Monica Airport, and issues such as the environment, in addition to the pure fun stuff, and the tasty stuff. For example, Kevin Roderick at LA Observed was kind enough to mention the posts about the Griffith Observatory (the new relaunch, and the controversy about the use of actors in the planetarium show), judging at the Science Fair at the California Science Center, as well as the post on the open day at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory , and the post about cycling in the city (perhaps in combination with public transportation, as an alternative to blindly using your car/SUV for most journeys). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7437979581910751050" rel="nofollow"&gt;Ouch&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: spyder</title>
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		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up bicycling on the streets of LA; began bike racing at the age of nine.  I was hit by my first car in 1957, when i was ten, and it was clearly my fault.  Riding and racing for the next four decades (all without a helmet) i had a few crashes and collisions, but none of those were beyond my own control and responsibility. During my tenures living and riding on the city streets of LA, Sacramento, East Bay (as a prof at CSUH i rode every day up and down that hill clocked one time by a student at 55mph), i experienced fewer risky moments than all the years riding in and around the Sierras.  Wearing bright colors, paying constant attention, connecting visually with drivers around you (yes those are trying to turn right in front of you and those exiting from parking lots and side streets whose views are obstructed by parked cars and other traffic), and not allowing others stupidity to cause anger and rage, safe bicycling in cityscapes is easily manageable, as well as hugely good for the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up bicycling on the streets of LA; began bike racing at the age of nine.  I was hit by my first car in 1957, when i was ten, and it was clearly my fault.  Riding and racing for the next four decades (all without a helmet) i had a few crashes and collisions, but none of those were beyond my own control and responsibility. During my tenures living and riding on the city streets of LA, Sacramento, East Bay (as a prof at CSUH i rode every day up and down that hill clocked one time by a student at 55mph), i experienced fewer risky moments than all the years riding in and around the Sierras.  Wearing bright colors, paying constant attention, connecting visually with drivers around you (yes those are trying to turn right in front of you and those exiting from parking lots and side streets whose views are obstructed by parked cars and other traffic), and not allowing others stupidity to cause anger and rage, safe bicycling in cityscapes is easily manageable, as well as hugely good for the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: a cornellian</title>
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		<dc:creator>a cornellian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 04:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with everything Clifford has said, except the part about bikes not being inherently dangerous, although if something is mumbled about really meaning inhernetly  unacceptebly dangerous I wouldn't protest.

As with any dangerous tool, if you respect it and treat it as such (lights (we love blinky lights), awareness of suroundings (I rely heavily on my ears for what is appraching me from behind so head phones are a bad idea), following traffic laws, no cell phone while biking, ect) then you will be fine, if you don't your going to get hurt.  Such is life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything Clifford has said, except the part about bikes not being inherently dangerous, although if something is mumbled about really meaning inhernetly  unacceptebly dangerous I wouldn&#8217;t protest.</p>
<p>As with any dangerous tool, if you respect it and treat it as such (lights (we love blinky lights), awareness of suroundings (I rely heavily on my ears for what is appraching me from behind so head phones are a bad idea), following traffic laws, no cell phone while biking, ect) then you will be fine, if you don&#8217;t your going to get hurt.  Such is life.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 15:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's so refreshing to hear the challenge to the notion that there's no alternative to the car! It would be wrong of me to claim that I'm an enthusiatic cyclist, but living in Cambridge, the bicycle can not ge ignored! My cycling is mainly restricted to leisure trips in the surrounding countryside rather than trips into the city and I have to admit this is mainly due to lack of confidence in the relentlessly heavy traffic, but having said that we are lucky here in that we are well served with cycle routes and drivers do *have* to be cyclist aware, simply because there is such a high volume of cyclists on the road. I personally get round my fears by carefully planning a journey so I know where the cycle routes are and I just avoid the most dangerous roads. The abundance of cycle routes makes this realistic, and I believe many of them to be in place due to public pressure. Many other places are not so well served. 
On the issue of exploring alternatives to the car, the local school here has been running  a campaign to try and encourage pupils not travel by car. There are several aims to this. One is the obvious one to simply to avoid the gridlock in the village caused by the school run, but the children are also learning about the environmental costs of using a car unnecessarily, and the health benefits of cycling or walking to school. The message is clearly getting through as my daughter (who is four) gets really quite upset if we do end up taking the car! Another pleasing local initiative started in the new year. Cambridge University has introduced a  trial voucher system for employees allowing them to commute on the buses for about half the usual cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s so refreshing to hear the challenge to the notion that there&#8217;s no alternative to the car! It would be wrong of me to claim that I&#8217;m an enthusiatic cyclist, but living in Cambridge, the bicycle can not ge ignored! My cycling is mainly restricted to leisure trips in the surrounding countryside rather than trips into the city and I have to admit this is mainly due to lack of confidence in the relentlessly heavy traffic, but having said that we are lucky here in that we are well served with cycle routes and drivers do *have* to be cyclist aware, simply because there is such a high volume of cyclists on the road. I personally get round my fears by carefully planning a journey so I know where the cycle routes are and I just avoid the most dangerous roads. The abundance of cycle routes makes this realistic, and I believe many of them to be in place due to public pressure. Many other places are not so well served.<br />
On the issue of exploring alternatives to the car, the local school here has been running  a campaign to try and encourage pupils not travel by car. There are several aims to this. One is the obvious one to simply to avoid the gridlock in the village caused by the school run, but the children are also learning about the environmental costs of using a car unnecessarily, and the health benefits of cycling or walking to school. The message is clearly getting through as my daughter (who is four) gets really quite upset if we do end up taking the car! Another pleasing local initiative started in the new year. Cambridge University has introduced a  trial voucher system for employees allowing them to commute on the buses for about half the usual cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Brannen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Brannen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 01:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as the inherent unsafeness of cycling compared to risk of heart attack, one must further multiply the cycling numbers by the ratio of the hours spent doing the deed.  My heart can attack 24/7, but even at my worst I never rode more than 3 hours per day.

I don't know about LA, but OC had the best set of bike paths I've ever experienced, and as a student I used them extensively.  I miss my Gitane, though bikes back then (1982) were quite heavy compared to modern ones.

When I first showed up as a grad student at U. Cal., Irvine, I was paid as a research assistant (I designed electronics for experiments) at about $12,000 per year.  It was more money than I'd ever seen in my life.  I just couldn't imainge how someone could spend all that money.  Talking with one of the other grad students I found that he was very broke.  Turns out that part of the difference was that he owned a car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as the inherent unsafeness of cycling compared to risk of heart attack, one must further multiply the cycling numbers by the ratio of the hours spent doing the deed.  My heart can attack 24/7, but even at my worst I never rode more than 3 hours per day.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about LA, but OC had the best set of bike paths I&#8217;ve ever experienced, and as a student I used them extensively.  I miss my Gitane, though bikes back then (1982) were quite heavy compared to modern ones.</p>
<p>When I first showed up as a grad student at U. Cal., Irvine, I was paid as a research assistant (I designed electronics for experiments) at about $12,000 per year.  It was more money than I&#8217;d ever seen in my life.  I just couldn&#8217;t imainge how someone could spend all that money.  Talking with one of the other grad students I found that he was very broke.  Turns out that part of the difference was that he owned a car.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Uitti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Uitti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 22:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not commuting by bike now, even though i'd like to.  My chances of a heart attack aren't 1/77.  They're much higher. I know of only three male relatives over 50 who haven't had one yet. I hope to become number four. 

While living in Boston, i briefly worked for a company that had showers.  I had a 9 mile bike commute.  Even at the start of the summer, averaging 9 MPH, it was as fast as the subway or driving.  By the end of the summer, i was averaging 21 MPH, and it was faster than any other means even including time showering.

While living in Philadelphia, i commuted for two summers.  It was 6 miles.  I took it slow on the way to work as there were no showers.  I took a longer route home and made it into real exercise.  While Philadelphia has no bike lanes, they do shut down a ten mile road by the river on Saturday Mornings to vehicles.  Philadelphia also has some of the worst road debris i've seen anywhere.  Despite Kevlar tires with tire liners, flat tires were common.  And, i got very good at replacing spokes and truing wheels.  Feh.

In Detroit it seems hopeless.  Employers have no showers, and/or the commute is 45 miles.

I've only had one bicycle accident.  I borrowed a touring bike (drop handlebars) with an oversized frame.  I couldn't see traffic, and had difficulty braking.  A car i'd passed twice caught up to me and made a right turn into me.  I actually ran into the car.  I wasn't hurt.  Nor was the car or bike.  The driver stopped and got out.  She started speaking Spanish at me.  Yelling really.  But she changed her tune when i started speaking Spanish back.  It was an uphill struggle to appear human to her.  I think it actually shocked her.  It turned out she really was fluent in English - but just didn't want to talk to me.

On my own bike, i'm in command.  I know what everyone's doing and what they will be doing.  I can wear headphones and listen to A Brief History of Time and still be safe.  These things improve safety by keeping me awake.  Your mileage may vary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not commuting by bike now, even though i&#8217;d like to.  My chances of a heart attack aren&#8217;t 1/77.  They&#8217;re much higher. I know of only three male relatives over 50 who haven&#8217;t had one yet. I hope to become number four. </p>
<p>While living in Boston, i briefly worked for a company that had showers.  I had a 9 mile bike commute.  Even at the start of the summer, averaging 9 MPH, it was as fast as the subway or driving.  By the end of the summer, i was averaging 21 MPH, and it was faster than any other means even including time showering.</p>
<p>While living in Philadelphia, i commuted for two summers.  It was 6 miles.  I took it slow on the way to work as there were no showers.  I took a longer route home and made it into real exercise.  While Philadelphia has no bike lanes, they do shut down a ten mile road by the river on Saturday Mornings to vehicles.  Philadelphia also has some of the worst road debris i&#8217;ve seen anywhere.  Despite Kevlar tires with tire liners, flat tires were common.  And, i got very good at replacing spokes and truing wheels.  Feh.</p>
<p>In Detroit it seems hopeless.  Employers have no showers, and/or the commute is 45 miles.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only had one bicycle accident.  I borrowed a touring bike (drop handlebars) with an oversized frame.  I couldn&#8217;t see traffic, and had difficulty braking.  A car i&#8217;d passed twice caught up to me and made a right turn into me.  I actually ran into the car.  I wasn&#8217;t hurt.  Nor was the car or bike.  The driver stopped and got out.  She started speaking Spanish at me.  Yelling really.  But she changed her tune when i started speaking Spanish back.  It was an uphill struggle to appear human to her.  I think it actually shocked her.  It turned out she really was fluent in English - but just didn&#8217;t want to talk to me.</p>
<p>On my own bike, i&#8217;m in command.  I know what everyone&#8217;s doing and what they will be doing.  I can wear headphones and listen to A Brief History of Time and still be safe.  These things improve safety by keeping me awake.  Your mileage may vary.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael,

Thanks!!

"the major accident class for experienced commuters is failure of a left-turning car to yield."

I completely agree. That's the one I watch most too.... and try to make eye-contact, or if not sure at a huge intersection, I just get off the bike and cross on foot. Takes me an extra minute, may have saved my life. Also, at night I have one of those bright flashing multiple-LED lights as my headlight... makes it very easy to see me and judge where I am.

I also was disturbed by the tone of the LA Times article. It  probably put off more people from cycling than it encouraged because it played up that "danger" aspect too much. Makes us all sound like thrill seekers or extreme sports enthusiasts, rather than regular people just like the reader is. Nothing could be further from the truth. I go out of my way to avoid dangerous sports and thrill rides. I just want to get out of my car, that's all.

Cheers!

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael,</p>
<p>Thanks!!</p>
<p>&#8220;the major accident class for experienced commuters is failure of a left-turning car to yield.&#8221;</p>
<p>I completely agree. That&#8217;s the one I watch most too&#8230;. and try to make eye-contact, or if not sure at a huge intersection, I just get off the bike and cross on foot. Takes me an extra minute, may have saved my life. Also, at night I have one of those bright flashing multiple-LED lights as my headlight&#8230; makes it very easy to see me and judge where I am.</p>
<p>I also was disturbed by the tone of the LA Times article. It  probably put off more people from cycling than it encouraged because it played up that &#8220;danger&#8221; aspect too much. Makes us all sound like thrill seekers or extreme sports enthusiasts, rather than regular people just like the reader is. Nothing could be further from the truth. I go out of my way to avoid dangerous sports and thrill rides. I just want to get out of my car, that&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Turmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Turmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  I biked to work for 11 years, 5 of them in LA, and had no car for some of those years in LA.  It worked great.

I agree 100% with the tone of your post.  I think you have to ride like a vehicle, obeying the laws, if you expect auto drivers to treat you like a vehicle and honor your right-of-way.  Additionally, you have to be more careful about judging driver's intentions, and ride very deliberately, leaving no doubt with hand signals and body language (eg lane placement).

If you've read Forrester's book "Effective Cycling", you'll know where this is coming from, and that there is a long debate between those who want, e.g., bike paths for commuters thru parks, versus those who want "Share the road" signs on city streets.  I'm more of a "share the road" person.

**

One thing I always had trouble with as a bike commuter is anger at "misbehaving" auto drivers.  Many times I was too quick to flip the bird at a driver who cut me off or stopped in my path.  I think the main cause was tension and fear about being "powerless" (that is, crushable by a car) -- classic yapping chihuahua syndrome.

I was disappointed in the tone of the LA Times article, because it did have some of that fearful mentality -- perhaps it was just the quotes chosen.

Anyway, as I matured as a cyclist, this fear/anger gradually went away.  I don't have the same frustration level any more, and my rides are much more pleasant as a result.

**

In all those years of commuting, and several extended bike tours (eg, cross-USA in 1987) I never had a collision with a car.  Most bike accident statistics are pretty much worthless to commuters in judging their risks, because the accident statistics are biased by the dominance of children.  IIRC, the major accident class for experienced commuters is failure of a left-turning car to yield.  So that's the one I watch especially.  Of course, depending on your route, YMMV (so to speak).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  I biked to work for 11 years, 5 of them in LA, and had no car for some of those years in LA.  It worked great.</p>
<p>I agree 100% with the tone of your post.  I think you have to ride like a vehicle, obeying the laws, if you expect auto drivers to treat you like a vehicle and honor your right-of-way.  Additionally, you have to be more careful about judging driver&#8217;s intentions, and ride very deliberately, leaving no doubt with hand signals and body language (eg lane placement).</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve read Forrester&#8217;s book &#8220;Effective Cycling&#8221;, you&#8217;ll know where this is coming from, and that there is a long debate between those who want, e.g., bike paths for commuters thru parks, versus those who want &#8220;Share the road&#8221; signs on city streets.  I&#8217;m more of a &#8220;share the road&#8221; person.</p>
<p>**</p>
<p>One thing I always had trouble with as a bike commuter is anger at &#8220;misbehaving&#8221; auto drivers.  Many times I was too quick to flip the bird at a driver who cut me off or stopped in my path.  I think the main cause was tension and fear about being &#8220;powerless&#8221; (that is, crushable by a car) &#8212; classic yapping chihuahua syndrome.</p>
<p>I was disappointed in the tone of the LA Times article, because it did have some of that fearful mentality &#8212; perhaps it was just the quotes chosen.</p>
<p>Anyway, as I matured as a cyclist, this fear/anger gradually went away.  I don&#8217;t have the same frustration level any more, and my rides are much more pleasant as a result.</p>
<p>**</p>
<p>In all those years of commuting, and several extended bike tours (eg, cross-USA in 1987) I never had a collision with a car.  Most bike accident statistics are pretty much worthless to commuters in judging their risks, because the accident statistics are biased by the dominance of children.  IIRC, the major accident class for experienced commuters is failure of a left-turning car to yield.  So that&#8217;s the one I watch especially.  Of course, depending on your route, YMMV (so to speak).</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will:-

Thanks for commenting. It is *so* important for people to hear from experienced people who know the roads even better than I do. It's very reassuring and encouranging. I hope maybe some others who've surfed in via LAObserved or elsewhere may share a bit too....

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Personally Iâ€™m not out on my bike to change the status quo. I do it because itâ€™s enjoyable and because I have to take personal responsibilty for the world I live in. If while pedaling somewhere some four-wheelers see me riding and a lightbulb goes off that says to them that they can do that, good for them.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is *exactly* my attitude. The status quo gets changed by just doing it, and some people might join in based on the example. This is the word of mouth aspect I was talking about. People see and hear what I do and they ask me questions at work, or just randomly on the street. Next thing I hear is that colleagues are asking me about bus routes.... or they are finding that maybe part of their week they might use mass transit to try it for a while. And I get lots of questions about the bike, and its convenience, which is good too....(although I'm not expecting everyone to suddenly get folding bikes because people really find it hard to do something so unusual.... it's mostly afraid of just looking different, but that's another story.)

And as for personal responsibility... Yes, I very much agree! I am at the stage now where I feel like I have really failed if I use the car unneccessarily - for a single short-to-medium trip I could have  done on the bike or on foot. So I try to find the extra time and plan my day a bit better so as to not have to jump into the car to run that errand. It just feels *wrong* now..... this might be a bit extreme for some, but I'm just saying...  When I do use the car I like it to be a trip that gets a lot of errands done, and/or maybe involve longer distances, heavy or awkward loads, giving people a ride, or just highly contrained time.

My typical week, in the routine of the semester, has me not touching the car at all until the weekend. This is not going to work for everyone - I chose to live in a part of the city that allows me to use the many public transport options in combination with my bike, or that gives me access to lots of local things within walking or quick biking distance. Different people have different situations, and I recognise that - but so many people just *assume* that there is no alternative to the car. They tell me where they live and where they want to get to and I give them  a list of bus routes... They tell me that the bus stop is several blocks away or worse. The idea of walking  to the stop is strangely prohibitive to people... the car has spoiled us so much.... and if it is really far to the stop... or takes too long then this is a *perfect* situation for using a short bikeride to fill in the gaps....

Anyway, I'm rambling.



Thanks Will!  Stay safe, and maybe I'll see you out there on the streets soon.

(Your blog &lt;a href="http://blogging.la/" rel="nofollow"&gt;MetroBlogging LA&lt;/a&gt; is excellent, by the way!)

-cvj
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will:-</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting. It is *so* important for people to hear from experienced people who know the roads even better than I do. It&#8217;s very reassuring and encouranging. I hope maybe some others who&#8217;ve surfed in via LAObserved or elsewhere may share a bit too&#8230;.</p>
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Personally Iâ€™m not out on my bike to change the status quo. I do it because itâ€™s enjoyable and because I have to take personal responsibilty for the world I live in. If while pedaling somewhere some four-wheelers see me riding and a lightbulb goes off that says to them that they can do that, good for them.
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<p>This is *exactly* my attitude. The status quo gets changed by just doing it, and some people might join in based on the example. This is the word of mouth aspect I was talking about. People see and hear what I do and they ask me questions at work, or just randomly on the street. Next thing I hear is that colleagues are asking me about bus routes&#8230;. or they are finding that maybe part of their week they might use mass transit to try it for a while. And I get lots of questions about the bike, and its convenience, which is good too&#8230;.(although I&#8217;m not expecting everyone to suddenly get folding bikes because people really find it hard to do something so unusual&#8230;. it&#8217;s mostly afraid of just looking different, but that&#8217;s another story.)</p>
<p>And as for personal responsibility&#8230; Yes, I very much agree! I am at the stage now where I feel like I have really failed if I use the car unneccessarily - for a single short-to-medium trip I could have  done on the bike or on foot. So I try to find the extra time and plan my day a bit better so as to not have to jump into the car to run that errand. It just feels *wrong* now&#8230;.. this might be a bit extreme for some, but I&#8217;m just saying&#8230;  When I do use the car I like it to be a trip that gets a lot of errands done, and/or maybe involve longer distances, heavy or awkward loads, giving people a ride, or just highly contrained time.</p>
<p>My typical week, in the routine of the semester, has me not touching the car at all until the weekend. This is not going to work for everyone - I chose to live in a part of the city that allows me to use the many public transport options in combination with my bike, or that gives me access to lots of local things within walking or quick biking distance. Different people have different situations, and I recognise that - but so many people just *assume* that there is no alternative to the car. They tell me where they live and where they want to get to and I give them  a list of bus routes&#8230; They tell me that the bus stop is several blocks away or worse. The idea of walking  to the stop is strangely prohibitive to people&#8230; the car has spoiled us so much&#8230;. and if it is really far to the stop&#8230; or takes too long then this is a *perfect* situation for using a short bikeride to fill in the gaps&#8230;.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m rambling.</p>
<p>Thanks Will!  Stay safe, and maybe I&#8217;ll see you out there on the streets soon.</p>
<p>(Your blog <a href="http://blogging.la/" rel="nofollow">MetroBlogging LA</a> is excellent, by the way!)</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nc:- "So I couldnâ€™t cycle if I wanted to. The new trains in use in this part arenâ€™t welcoming of bikes."

What you need to do is write a letter to the  train company and ask them to make such provision. Get your friends to do it too. If there are enough people doing that, they'll consider changing their policy. 

Or -Welcome to the folding bike revolution! Unchain yourself from the good will of the rail operators... You get around these restrictions the way I and hundreds of others do. Get a folding bike. You cover it after folding, and they can't tell wehther it is a bike or a large bag. Have a look around you in London, you'll see Bromptons everywhere..... folders are on the rise, and Bromptons are apparently the single most common manufacturer (or close to it) in London now.... all of this canged in the last few years.... By word of mouth alone.

On the danger perception you mention (crazy london cabbies and the like):- bear in mind that it is a perception mostly. I recall thinking the same thing here in LA before I just got on a bike and found that a lot of the perceived fear came from what people were saying about it (out of ignorance mostly, or unfortunate experiences such as Andy mentioned above) and also how it looks from the point of view of  a pedestrian or of a  motorist. Once you are on your bike, and if you take care to be vigilant (using some of the ideas I talked about in the psot) you will rapidly see that it is just not that  terrifyingly dangerous. 

Please try it for a week before just writing it off.


-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nc:- &#8220;So I couldnâ€™t cycle if I wanted to. The new trains in use in this part arenâ€™t welcoming of bikes.&#8221;</p>
<p>What you need to do is write a letter to the  train company and ask them to make such provision. Get your friends to do it too. If there are enough people doing that, they&#8217;ll consider changing their policy. </p>
<p>Or -Welcome to the folding bike revolution! Unchain yourself from the good will of the rail operators&#8230; You get around these restrictions the way I and hundreds of others do. Get a folding bike. You cover it after folding, and they can&#8217;t tell wehther it is a bike or a large bag. Have a look around you in London, you&#8217;ll see Bromptons everywhere&#8230;.. folders are on the rise, and Bromptons are apparently the single most common manufacturer (or close to it) in London now&#8230;. all of this canged in the last few years&#8230;. By word of mouth alone.</p>
<p>On the danger perception you mention (crazy london cabbies and the like):- bear in mind that it is a perception mostly. I recall thinking the same thing here in LA before I just got on a bike and found that a lot of the perceived fear came from what people were saying about it (out of ignorance mostly, or unfortunate experiences such as Andy mentioned above) and also how it looks from the point of view of  a pedestrian or of a  motorist. Once you are on your bike, and if you take care to be vigilant (using some of the ideas I talked about in the psot) you will rapidly see that it is just not that  terrifyingly dangerous. </p>
<p>Please try it for a week before just writing it off.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Charles T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add that living in Denmark, cycling is a vastly different experience. Virtually all roads have segregated cycle paths even in the centre of cities and the very large numbers of cyclists means that motorists cannot ignore them (nor are they especially agressive towards them). Looking out for cyclists (who have priority at junctions) is simply something you get used to. You can completely traverse Copenhagen and at no time have to share the road with cars.

There's a nice link here to a report by the Danish Road Directorate with a *lot* of facts and statistics including accident risks.

http://www.cities-for-cyclists.org/dokumenter/cyccon.pdf

Of course one of the reasons that everyone cycles in Denmark is that tax rates are so high and cars cost 3x as much as in the US (there is over 200% duty and tax on a new car) so many have to cycle (or use public transport) whether they like it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add that living in Denmark, cycling is a vastly different experience. Virtually all roads have segregated cycle paths even in the centre of cities and the very large numbers of cyclists means that motorists cannot ignore them (nor are they especially agressive towards them). Looking out for cyclists (who have priority at junctions) is simply something you get used to. You can completely traverse Copenhagen and at no time have to share the road with cars.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a nice link here to a report by the Danish Road Directorate with a *lot* of facts and statistics including accident risks.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cities-for-cyclists.org/dokumenter/cyccon.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cities-for-cyclists.org/dokumenter/cyccon.pdf</a></p>
<p>Of course one of the reasons that everyone cycles in Denmark is that tax rates are so high and cars cost 3x as much as in the US (there is over 200% duty and tax on a new car) so many have to cycle (or use public transport) whether they like it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: nc</title>
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		<dc:creator>nc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, bicycles aren't permitted on the A12, the main road from Colchester to London.  There are no cycle lanes.  So I couldn't cycle if I wanted to.  The new trains in use in this part aren't welcoming of bikes.  You used to be able to put them in the guard's section, but there isn't one anymore.  Maybe a bike can be rented somewhere near the London station but I'd be scared cycling with so many crazy London cabbies, white delivery vans motorcyclists and everything.  A bit too dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, bicycles aren&#8217;t permitted on the A12, the main road from Colchester to London.  There are no cycle lanes.  So I couldn&#8217;t cycle if I wanted to.  The new trains in use in this part aren&#8217;t welcoming of bikes.  You used to be able to put them in the guard&#8217;s section, but there isn&#8217;t one anymore.  Maybe a bike can be rented somewhere near the London station but I&#8217;d be scared cycling with so many crazy London cabbies, white delivery vans motorcyclists and everything.  A bit too dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: nc</title>
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		<dc:creator>nc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only time I cycle is on holiday.  I rent a bike (usually directly from the hotel reception, if it's in Spain or the Canaries) for the week or two and cycle to the towns, beaches, attractions, whatever.  It's just the stress of finding car parks, finding the change for the ticket, traffic jams, getting lost in a car, getting petrol...  But generally, despite all the problems, there's no practical alternative to a car where I live, especially in bad weather, if I want to be on time for business appointments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only time I cycle is on holiday.  I rent a bike (usually directly from the hotel reception, if it&#8217;s in Spain or the Canaries) for the week or two and cycle to the towns, beaches, attractions, whatever.  It&#8217;s just the stress of finding car parks, finding the change for the ticket, traffic jams, getting lost in a car, getting petrol&#8230;  But generally, despite all the problems, there&#8217;s no practical alternative to a car where I live, especially in bad weather, if I want to be on time for business appointments</p>
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		<title>By: Will Campbell</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2007/01/04/just-so-you-know-im-not-the-only-nut-in-the-fruitbowl/#comment-23627</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, thank you Professor Johnson for your efforts to spread the word about bike commuting. I found your blog via a link from L.A. Observed.

I am disturbed by commenter Andy's opinion but won't waste time trying to disuade it or allay his extrapolated fears. Instead I'll just counter his blanket assessment of the state of aggression towards cyclists on the streets with my own personal experiences. As a cycling advocate who's logged an average of 1,000-plus urban L.A. miles a year since 2000 -- including 1,800 this past year and a resolution to do 2,000 for 2007 -- I can honestly say I do not see the anger that Andy's so adamant about.

I'm not sporting a pair of rose-colored Oakleys here, bikers suffer injury or death all to regularly and to a certain degree I agree in principle with him that city cycling is an "unsafe activity," but then I also must note that Andy's walks to and from work also carry with them a certain level of risk. And from the almost 9,000 miles I've logged all around Los Angeles this past seven years I have encountered road rage far more often from the cab of my truck than I have in the saddles of my bicycles.

That's not to say I haven't suffered countless episodes of drivers' absolute indifference or disregard for my safety or my right to share the road, but I don't let that stop me from doing something I love and I ride in a heightened state of awareness according to my credo that I'm only as safe as the worst driver I encounter.

Andy's proposal that car-free commute windows be legislated made me laugh. What doesn't is that defeatist attitude he apologizes for. I find that mindset "inherently unsafe." 

Personally I'm not out on my bike to change the status quo. I do it because it's enjoyable and because I have to take personal responsibilty for the world I live in. If while pedaling somewhere some four-wheelers see me riding and a lightbulb goes off that says to them that they can do that, good for them.

Ride safe and ride on Professor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, thank you Professor Johnson for your efforts to spread the word about bike commuting. I found your blog via a link from L.A. Observed.</p>
<p>I am disturbed by commenter Andy&#8217;s opinion but won&#8217;t waste time trying to disuade it or allay his extrapolated fears. Instead I&#8217;ll just counter his blanket assessment of the state of aggression towards cyclists on the streets with my own personal experiences. As a cycling advocate who&#8217;s logged an average of 1,000-plus urban L.A. miles a year since 2000 &#8212; including 1,800 this past year and a resolution to do 2,000 for 2007 &#8212; I can honestly say I do not see the anger that Andy&#8217;s so adamant about.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sporting a pair of rose-colored Oakleys here, bikers suffer injury or death all to regularly and to a certain degree I agree in principle with him that city cycling is an &#8220;unsafe activity,&#8221; but then I also must note that Andy&#8217;s walks to and from work also carry with them a certain level of risk. And from the almost 9,000 miles I&#8217;ve logged all around Los Angeles this past seven years I have encountered road rage far more often from the cab of my truck than I have in the saddles of my bicycles.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say I haven&#8217;t suffered countless episodes of drivers&#8217; absolute indifference or disregard for my safety or my right to share the road, but I don&#8217;t let that stop me from doing something I love and I ride in a heightened state of awareness according to my credo that I&#8217;m only as safe as the worst driver I encounter.</p>
<p>Andy&#8217;s proposal that car-free commute windows be legislated made me laugh. What doesn&#8217;t is that defeatist attitude he apologizes for. I find that mindset &#8220;inherently unsafe.&#8221; </p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;m not out on my bike to change the status quo. I do it because it&#8217;s enjoyable and because I have to take personal responsibilty for the world I live in. If while pedaling somewhere some four-wheelers see me riding and a lightbulb goes off that says to them that they can do that, good for them.</p>
<p>Ride safe and ride on Professor.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 06:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;"You cannot change the status quo with your bicycle."&lt;/i&gt;

On the contrary!!! Check out the paper "Safety in numbers: more walkers and bicyclists, safer walking and bicycling" (P L Jacobsen). Jacobsen found that as the number of bikers and walkers on the roads increases, the probability of any given biker or walker being in an accident falls. I don't think he proves causation, but his work is very suggestive. Also, check out &lt;a href="http://www.tsc.berkeley.edu/html/newsletter/Spring04/syntax.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;You cannot change the status quo with your bicycle.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>On the contrary!!! Check out the paper &#8220;Safety in numbers: more walkers and bicyclists, safer walking and bicycling&#8221; (P L Jacobsen). Jacobsen found that as the number of bikers and walkers on the roads increases, the probability of any given biker or walker being in an accident falls. I don&#8217;t think he proves causation, but his work is very suggestive. Also, check out <a href="http://www.tsc.berkeley.edu/html/newsletter/Spring04/syntax.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">this article</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CVJ, I am glad you are one of the pioneers who travel LA without a car.  I once commuted to classes in Long Beach, and ride MTA whenever possible.  Transit and bike can take you more pace in LA than most people realise.  It is a great way to stay in shape too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CVJ, I am glad you are one of the pioneers who travel LA without a car.  I once commuted to classes in Long Beach, and ride MTA whenever possible.  Transit and bike can take you more pace in LA than most people realise.  It is a great way to stay in shape too.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 23:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,

I'm sorry to hear about that. But I still disagree with you. If you read the news, you'll also hear about experienced motorists and pedestrians involved in horrible accidents. Many of them die. It is sad, sure. Does that mean that we should just stop those activities as well? in fact, there are quite a few stories of people never leaving their homes and  bad things happen to them. So what are we to do?

There are lots of local journeys on the bike that can be made which are no more dangerous than walking the same route. Why can people not do those at the very least? And there are far more journeys that thousands of cyclists take every day all over California. There is risk involved, but there is risk involved in getting into your car and getting on the 405 too.

I can &lt;em&gt; help&lt;/em&gt; to change the status quo with my bicycle, actually. It is already changing, because lots of individuals are making new choices. And word of mouth is a powerful thing. The little changes begin to happen, and gather momentum and then the legislators see what's happening and they listen (if only to save their political skins), helping to produce big changes that would never have happened were it not for the little changes. Your argument that no one person can make a difference is akin to claiming that no one person's vote  can make a difference to an election. It all starts with the individual citizens.  I see more people cycling. I see more people on the bus going to work and to school. The city responded with increased frequency on some bus routes, more cycle lanes, double-sized express buses, and more express bus routes. There is increased urgency to get the subway extended. I've done posts on all of this. I can give you links if you like. This is all due in no small part to people voting with their feet,  making new choices and not accepting the status quo.

Now I must dash... I'm jumping into my Hummer to nip to the shops to buy a pint of milk...  Later.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to hear about that. But I still disagree with you. If you read the news, you&#8217;ll also hear about experienced motorists and pedestrians involved in horrible accidents. Many of them die. It is sad, sure. Does that mean that we should just stop those activities as well? in fact, there are quite a few stories of people never leaving their homes and  bad things happen to them. So what are we to do?</p>
<p>There are lots of local journeys on the bike that can be made which are no more dangerous than walking the same route. Why can people not do those at the very least? And there are far more journeys that thousands of cyclists take every day all over California. There is risk involved, but there is risk involved in getting into your car and getting on the 405 too.</p>
<p>I can <em> help</em> to change the status quo with my bicycle, actually. It is already changing, because lots of individuals are making new choices. And word of mouth is a powerful thing. The little changes begin to happen, and gather momentum and then the legislators see what&#8217;s happening and they listen (if only to save their political skins), helping to produce big changes that would never have happened were it not for the little changes. Your argument that no one person can make a difference is akin to claiming that no one person&#8217;s vote  can make a difference to an election. It all starts with the individual citizens.  I see more people cycling. I see more people on the bus going to work and to school. The city responded with increased frequency on some bus routes, more cycle lanes, double-sized express buses, and more express bus routes. There is increased urgency to get the subway extended. I&#8217;ve done posts on all of this. I can give you links if you like. This is all due in no small part to people voting with their feet,  making new choices and not accepting the status quo.</p>
<p>Now I must dash&#8230; I&#8217;m jumping into my Hummer to nip to the shops to buy a pint of milk&#8230;  Later.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 23:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Professor Johnson,
Please don't shoot the messenger.  I apologize if I was too dismissive about your suggestions.  But honestly I've had my bicycle run over (with me still on it)  and been on the pavement because of automobile operator hostility and so have many cyclists.  If you read the USCF (now USA Cycling) news you'll read about dead bicycle riders every month.  And these are experienced riders and often times they are in California.  
You cannot change the status quo with your bicycle.  Your duly elected city council member might be able to change the status quo but will be unwilling because of the cost to his or her political career. 
Again I apologize for being so defeatist.  I feel as strongly as you do about reducing automobile usage.  I walk to work everyday without exception.  It would be faster if I could ride my bicycle but I find it too scary anymore.  
Your buddy,
Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Professor Johnson,<br />
Please don&#8217;t shoot the messenger.  I apologize if I was too dismissive about your suggestions.  But honestly I&#8217;ve had my bicycle run over (with me still on it)  and been on the pavement because of automobile operator hostility and so have many cyclists.  If you read the USCF (now USA Cycling) news you&#8217;ll read about dead bicycle riders every month.  And these are experienced riders and often times they are in California.<br />
You cannot change the status quo with your bicycle.  Your duly elected city council member might be able to change the status quo but will be unwilling because of the cost to his or her political career.<br />
Again I apologize for being so defeatist.  I feel as strongly as you do about reducing automobile usage.  I walk to work everyday without exception.  It would be faster if I could ride my bicycle but I find it too scary anymore.<br />
Your buddy,<br />
Andy</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 23:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree 100% -  It is NOT an inherently unsafe activity. We are certainly not talking abotu racing bicycles here! Just riding along at s sensible pace. Also, there is no climate of driver hostility towards cyclists. Most drivers are fine with cyclists when they are using the road responsibly. Furthermore, a huge number of cycling trips can be made in your own neighbourhood without encountering more than a few cars. That can be the cycle ride to the bus stop that seemed too far away to walk. It can therefore make a huge contribution to reducing unneccessary car use overall. And please read all the other suggestions I made in the post. 

I simply don't agree with your rather defeatist and (with all due respect) highly ill-informed argument for the status quo.


-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree 100% -  It is NOT an inherently unsafe activity. We are certainly not talking abotu racing bicycles here! Just riding along at s sensible pace. Also, there is no climate of driver hostility towards cyclists. Most drivers are fine with cyclists when they are using the road responsibly. Furthermore, a huge number of cycling trips can be made in your own neighbourhood without encountering more than a few cars. That can be the cycle ride to the bus stop that seemed too far away to walk. It can therefore make a huge contribution to reducing unneccessary car use overall. And please read all the other suggestions I made in the post. </p>
<p>I simply don&#8217;t agree with your rather defeatist and (with all due respect) highly ill-informed argument for the status quo.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been involved in a few bicycle accidents back when I used to race bicycles.  It is an inherently unsafe activity and I don't recommend it to anyone in the current climate of driver hostility towards cyclists.  Cities &lt;i&gt;must legislate automobile free times&lt;/i&gt; for cyclists to safely use city streets.  That will never happen, and greenhouse gases from automobiles will continue to heat the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been involved in a few bicycle accidents back when I used to race bicycles.  It is an inherently unsafe activity and I don&#8217;t recommend it to anyone in the current climate of driver hostility towards cyclists.  Cities <i>must legislate automobile free times</i> for cyclists to safely use city streets.  That will never happen, and greenhouse gases from automobiles will continue to heat the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the US, your annual risk (if over 35) of dying of a heart attack is about 1/77. Your annual risk of being killed cycling is about 1/130000. Of course this takes into account that not many Americans cycle, but even so the risk is nearly 1700 times smaller.

If risk of cycling is bothering you, then your time is much better spent on reducing the risk of heart attack e.g better diet or taking up some exercise...such as cycling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the US, your annual risk (if over 35) of dying of a heart attack is about 1/77. Your annual risk of being killed cycling is about 1/130000. Of course this takes into account that not many Americans cycle, but even so the risk is nearly 1700 times smaller.</p>
<p>If risk of cycling is bothering you, then your time is much better spent on reducing the risk of heart attack e.g better diet or taking up some exercise&#8230;such as cycling.</p>
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