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		<title>By: Belizean</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/12/05/supporting-the-alternatives/#comment-9235</link>
		<dc:creator>Belizean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 02:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What about Physical Review? Is the situation there the same as with Nucler Physics?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don't think so.  You can get a paper published in two months in Phys Rev D.  [An astounding improvement over their nearly 11-month turn-around days of the distant past.] They accept MS Word format, are extremely responsive, and do not charge your instititution. 

Nuclear Physics B takes much longer.  Unlike Phys Rev, they don't provided authors with status reports regarding internal processing steps.  I don't expect my institution to be charged, but it's possible that there's been a policy change of which I'm unaware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What about Physical Review? Is the situation there the same as with Nucler Physics?</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so.  You can get a paper published in two months in Phys Rev D.  [An astounding improvement over their nearly 11-month turn-around days of the distant past.] They accept MS Word format, are extremely responsive, and do not charge your instititution. </p>
<p>Nuclear Physics B takes much longer.  Unlike Phys Rev, they don&#8217;t provided authors with status reports regarding internal processing steps.  I don&#8217;t expect my institution to be charged, but it&#8217;s possible that there&#8217;s been a policy change of which I&#8217;m unaware.</p>
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		<title>By: spyder</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/12/05/supporting-the-alternatives/#comment-7243</link>
		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking from the other side of campus, it is getting difficult for libraries, and the universities themselves to pay the ever increasing costs of maintaining the best stacks of journals and periodicals.  JSTOR, the online archive resource for most humanities and social science collections, charges a great deal of money to have access even to the older materials.  Community colleges are paying a $1000 a semester to have the service, and while that may or may not seem a large expense for the return of the collections, it is money that cannot be spent on maintaining and supporting the current issues as well as book purchases.  

Something has to give here in the near future.  The commodity of exchange is warped and twisted in ways that are not in the best interest of anyone other than the publishers.  A young professor writes an article, submits it, gets reviewed, gets published, and then must hope that the university or college can afford to have that journal or periodical in its stacks.  The professor's publication efforts eventually are a measure of tenure, thus some economic return on the investment of time and intellectual property freely given away, in hope of the tenured opportunities.  Where is the publisher in this exchange, other than as a rentier economic drain from the system??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking from the other side of campus, it is getting difficult for libraries, and the universities themselves to pay the ever increasing costs of maintaining the best stacks of journals and periodicals.  JSTOR, the online archive resource for most humanities and social science collections, charges a great deal of money to have access even to the older materials.  Community colleges are paying a $1000 a semester to have the service, and while that may or may not seem a large expense for the return of the collections, it is money that cannot be spent on maintaining and supporting the current issues as well as book purchases.  </p>
<p>Something has to give here in the near future.  The commodity of exchange is warped and twisted in ways that are not in the best interest of anyone other than the publishers.  A young professor writes an article, submits it, gets reviewed, gets published, and then must hope that the university or college can afford to have that journal or periodical in its stacks.  The professor&#8217;s publication efforts eventually are a measure of tenure, thus some economic return on the investment of time and intellectual property freely given away, in hope of the tenured opportunities.  Where is the publisher in this exchange, other than as a rentier economic drain from the system??</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Bacon</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/12/05/supporting-the-alternatives/#comment-7236</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Bacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"They want to publish their papers in Science and this is incompatible with preprint archives"

Well, yes and no (incompatible with preprint archives).  Science allows you to post your paper on preprint archives after it has been published in Science.  Nature allows you to post your preprint online before it has been published, so long as you don't talk to the media about it.  Both embargos are a pain, but the excuse of not being allowed to post on preprint archives because you publish in Science or Nature seems to arise from old policies at these journals, not the on policies they currently have in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They want to publish their papers in Science and this is incompatible with preprint archives&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, yes and no (incompatible with preprint archives).  Science allows you to post your paper on preprint archives after it has been published in Science.  Nature allows you to post your preprint online before it has been published, so long as you don&#8217;t talk to the media about it.  Both embargos are a pain, but the excuse of not being allowed to post on preprint archives because you publish in Science or Nature seems to arise from old policies at these journals, not the on policies they currently have in place.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/12/05/supporting-the-alternatives/#comment-7207</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, this is very good news indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, this is very good news indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Leonard</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/12/05/supporting-the-alternatives/#comment-7205</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Robert,

At BioMed Central we have found that biologists of all kinds are very keen to publish their results in one of our Open Access journals:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/browse/journals/

It is impossible to say if any authors have decided not to publish with us due to the potential patentability of their findings - but that would apply to toll-access as well as OA journals.

And as for your friends in surface science, keep an eye on PhysMath Central from next year for a series of physics (and math) titles which will be OA and cover the whole fields.

Chris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Robert,</p>
<p>At BioMed Central we have found that biologists of all kinds are very keen to publish their results in one of our Open Access journals:<br />
<a href="http://www.biomedcentral.com/browse/journals/" rel="nofollow">http://www.biomedcentral.com/browse/journals/</a></p>
<p>It is impossible to say if any authors have decided not to publish with us due to the potential patentability of their findings - but that would apply to toll-access as well as OA journals.</p>
<p>And as for your friends in surface science, keep an eye on PhysMath Central from next year for a series of physics (and math) titles which will be OA and cover the whole fields.</p>
<p>Chris.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/12/05/supporting-the-alternatives/#comment-7195</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it were physics that see the light of self organised publishing, but it seems it's only hep. In large other areas of physics there seems to be a complete lack of appreciation of a problem. I am currently cought up with editing a yearly resaerch report for our school of enigneering and science and I am seeing things I really did not expect.

Many experimental surface physicists (just as an example) write their papers in MS Word (and refuse to learn even the simplest form of TeX) and simply ignore the existence of online preprint archives. They want to publish their papers in Science and this is incompatible with preprint archives. They worry about impact factors rather than subsciption prices even if prompted on the issue.

How much worse is this situation going to be in areas with potentially patentable results where big money might be in applications such as micro biology? Those people still have first and last authors (the latter being an author for just being the head of the lab rather than being involved in the research).

For us, the transition is much simpler as, let's face it, the publication in a journal is much less important (except for the CV): It's the arXiv where we read the paper (and everbody is their own referee for what they read) and not in the journal months later. When was the last time you went to the library to look up a paper (pre arXiv does not count)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it were physics that see the light of self organised publishing, but it seems it&#8217;s only hep. In large other areas of physics there seems to be a complete lack of appreciation of a problem. I am currently cought up with editing a yearly resaerch report for our school of enigneering and science and I am seeing things I really did not expect.</p>
<p>Many experimental surface physicists (just as an example) write their papers in MS Word (and refuse to learn even the simplest form of TeX) and simply ignore the existence of online preprint archives. They want to publish their papers in Science and this is incompatible with preprint archives. They worry about impact factors rather than subsciption prices even if prompted on the issue.</p>
<p>How much worse is this situation going to be in areas with potentially patentable results where big money might be in applications such as micro biology? Those people still have first and last authors (the latter being an author for just being the head of the lab rather than being involved in the research).</p>
<p>For us, the transition is much simpler as, let&#8217;s face it, the publication in a journal is much less important (except for the CV): It&#8217;s the arXiv where we read the paper (and everbody is their own referee for what they read) and not in the journal months later. When was the last time you went to the library to look up a paper (pre arXiv does not count)?</p>
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		<title>By: Moshe</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/12/05/supporting-the-alternatives/#comment-7185</link>
		<dc:creator>Moshe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 02:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Clifford. I said that before in one of those suspicious internet forums (chat rooms, or blogs or something):  I am puzzled why online journals run by professional scientists is not already the norm everywhere. Maybe it is lack of imagination, but I cannot think about a single benefit we get from commercial publishers. Maybe it is just inertia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Clifford. I said that before in one of those suspicious internet forums (chat rooms, or blogs or something):  I am puzzled why online journals run by professional scientists is not already the norm everywhere. Maybe it is lack of imagination, but I cannot think about a single benefit we get from commercial publishers. Maybe it is just inertia.</p>
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		<title>By: Graduate Student</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/12/05/supporting-the-alternatives/#comment-7180</link>
		<dc:creator>Graduate Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Physical Review? Is the situation there the same as with Nucler Physics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Physical Review? Is the situation there the same as with Nucler Physics?</p>
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