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		<title>By: Uncle Enzo</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/11/07/twelve-days-of-physics/#comment-4299</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Enzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about if we include only things which have to do with the real world as we know it?  Hey, this is science, right?  So no string theory, please.

Forza Italia!  World Cup Champions!  Forza!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about if we include only things which have to do with the real world as we know it?  Hey, this is science, right?  So no string theory, please.</p>
<p>Forza Italia!  World Cup Champions!  Forza!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Knop</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/11/07/twelve-days-of-physics/#comment-3756</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Knop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 06:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Various lists get fairly esoteric, but are also fairly particle physics focused....

Things which must be represented, if you want to "span" Physics :

  * Newton's laws (couple gravity in)
  * principle of least action
  * Maxell's equations
  * entropy
  * kT (I mean, is anything more useful for napkin calculations?)
  * uncertainty principle
  * Shroedinger equation
  * e=mc^2 (as a stand-in for all of SR)
  * Einstein field equation

Those are just basics.  Any of those (except for maybe the last one), and you've cut out a big piece of the underpinnings of any undergraduate physics education.

After that, before getting into esoteric stuff that indicates you've specialized into any particular subfield, I'd get fluid stuff (continuity &#38;/or euler &#38;/or Navier-Stokes), something potentialish (del-phi, or scalar/vector potentials of E&#38;M, or perhaps the QM SHO), and perhaps a general category of symmetry-&#62;conservation laws.

Yeah, no strings anywhere there.  There's also no band gap or fermi genergy, no FRW metric and friedmann equation, no isospin or shell model or Standard Model, no Einstein A/B, no equation of radiative transfer, no stern gerlach or bell's inequality, no cooper pairs, no phase diagrams, no young's modulus, no alfven waves, and so forth....

-Rob

P.S. : there's a whole separate approach one could take:

  1. extremely long problem sets
  2. fear of the Physics GRE
  3. Trial By Jackson
  4. eight years of grad school
  5. moving every two years jumping between post-docs
  6. inability to get a faculty job
  7. inability to get tenure
  8. constant writing of proposals
  9. constant reviewing of huge stacks of proposals
 10. colleagues who think your subfield is worthless
 11. colleagues in subfields you think is worthless
 12. cancellation of your project

but that might be too cynical....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Various lists get fairly esoteric, but are also fairly particle physics focused&#8230;.</p>
<p>Things which must be represented, if you want to &#8220;span&#8221; Physics :</p>
<p>  * Newton&#8217;s laws (couple gravity in)<br />
  * principle of least action<br />
  * Maxell&#8217;s equations<br />
  * entropy<br />
  * kT (I mean, is anything more useful for napkin calculations?)<br />
  * uncertainty principle<br />
  * Shroedinger equation<br />
  * e=mc^2 (as a stand-in for all of SR)<br />
  * Einstein field equation</p>
<p>Those are just basics.  Any of those (except for maybe the last one), and you&#8217;ve cut out a big piece of the underpinnings of any undergraduate physics education.</p>
<p>After that, before getting into esoteric stuff that indicates you&#8217;ve specialized into any particular subfield, I&#8217;d get fluid stuff (continuity &amp;/or euler &amp;/or Navier-Stokes), something potentialish (del-phi, or scalar/vector potentials of E&amp;M, or perhaps the QM SHO), and perhaps a general category of symmetry-&gt;conservation laws.</p>
<p>Yeah, no strings anywhere there.  There&#8217;s also no band gap or fermi genergy, no FRW metric and friedmann equation, no isospin or shell model or Standard Model, no Einstein A/B, no equation of radiative transfer, no stern gerlach or bell&#8217;s inequality, no cooper pairs, no phase diagrams, no young&#8217;s modulus, no alfven waves, and so forth&#8230;.</p>
<p>-Rob</p>
<p>P.S. : there&#8217;s a whole separate approach one could take:</p>
<p>  1. extremely long problem sets<br />
  2. fear of the Physics GRE<br />
  3. Trial By Jackson<br />
  4. eight years of grad school<br />
  5. moving every two years jumping between post-docs<br />
  6. inability to get a faculty job<br />
  7. inability to get tenure<br />
  8. constant writing of proposals<br />
  9. constant reviewing of huge stacks of proposals<br />
 10. colleagues who think your subfield is worthless<br />
 11. colleagues in subfields you think is worthless<br />
 12. cancellation of your project</p>
<p>but that might be too cynical&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 18:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Clifford!

I'll edge onto the speculative limb - so to speak - and speculate that #12 equals The Maldacena Conjecture on AdS/CFT. Surprisingly though it may sound, strings are at my heart these days...

By the way, is Asymptotia sort of like your beach retreat hovering along the shoreline of the Virtual Sea?;)

Best wishes,
Cynthia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Clifford!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll edge onto the speculative limb - so to speak - and speculate that #12 equals The Maldacena Conjecture on AdS/CFT. Surprisingly though it may sound, strings are at my heart these days&#8230;</p>
<p>By the way, is Asymptotia sort of like your beach retreat hovering along the shoreline of the Virtual Sea?;)</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />
Cynthia</p>
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		<title>By: boreds</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/11/07/twelve-days-of-physics/#comment-3674</link>
		<dc:creator>boreds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it should be made into an advent calendar, so that we can fit more stuff in.

Little doors would open to reveal the exciting equations!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it should be made into an advent calendar, so that we can fit more stuff in.</p>
<p>Little doors would open to reveal the exciting equations!</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 05:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent!

Thanks....

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent!</p>
<p>Thanks&#8230;.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: TheGraduate</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheGraduate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 05:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dr. Johnson,

I found this over the week-end:

http://lsiit.u-strasbg.fr/sites/img/rendu_fluide.jpg

I thought it was great.  It's probably something like what you were talking about with Navier-Stokes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dr. Johnson,</p>
<p>I found this over the week-end:</p>
<p><a href="http://lsiit.u-strasbg.fr/sites/img/rendu_fluide.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://lsiit.u-strasbg.fr/sites/img/rendu_fluide.jpg</a></p>
<p>I thought it was great.  It&#8217;s probably something like what you were talking about with Navier-Stokes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/11/07/twelve-days-of-physics/#comment-3653</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the AdS/CFT recipe:

Generating function of field theory operators=String theory partition function with appropriate boundary values for fields.

This being the defining equations of AdS/CFT which itself is one of the most exciting outcomes of string theory so far seems appropriate to me.

All the best,

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the AdS/CFT recipe:</p>
<p>Generating function of field theory operators=String theory partition function with appropriate boundary values for fields.</p>
<p>This being the defining equations of AdS/CFT which itself is one of the most exciting outcomes of string theory so far seems appropriate to me.</p>
<p>All the best,</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: damtp_dweller</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely think that Einstein's equations for GR with matter need to be included in that list. As to a possible string theory `day,' surely the Virasoro algebra with central extension has to be a strong candidate?

For what it's worth, assuming that this is for a true `calendar' my version of that list would have to include topics that can be displayed succinctly. I'd have

&lt;blockquote&gt;
1. F = ma
2. The Schroedinger equation
3. M = \sqrt{ Area(S)/16\pi G^2 } (The Penrose inequality)
4. R_{ab} - \frac{1}{2}g_{ab}R \prop T_{ab} 
5. The principle of least action
6. Maxwellâ€™s equations
7. E=hv
8. [L_m,L_n] = (m-n)L_{m+n} + A(m)d_{m+n} (Centrally extended Virasoro algebra)
9. The laws of black hole mechanics
10. Stokesâ€™ Theorem
11. Entropy
12. The Navier-Stokes equations
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely think that Einstein&#8217;s equations for GR with matter need to be included in that list. As to a possible string theory `day,&#8217; surely the Virasoro algebra with central extension has to be a strong candidate?</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, assuming that this is for a true `calendar&#8217; my version of that list would have to include topics that can be displayed succinctly. I&#8217;d have</p>
<blockquote><p>
1. F = ma<br />
2. The Schroedinger equation<br />
3. M = \sqrt{ Area(S)/16\pi G^2 } (The Penrose inequality)<br />
4. R_{ab} - \frac{1}{2}g_{ab}R \prop T_{ab}<br />
5. The principle of least action<br />
6. Maxwellâ€™s equations<br />
7. E=hv<br />
8. [L_m,L_n] = (m-n)L_{m+n} + A(m)d_{m+n} (Centrally extended Virasoro algebra)<br />
9. The laws of black hole mechanics<br />
10. Stokesâ€™ Theorem<br />
11. Entropy<br />
12. The Navier-Stokes equations
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		<title>By: Moshe</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/11/07/twelve-days-of-physics/#comment-3650</link>
		<dc:creator>Moshe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Clifford, that may not fit, but maybe the sigma model action of the string in background fields, followed by the statement that  \beta =0 implies Einstein equation. Still one of the defining charecteristics of the theory, and one of the things that makes students ooh and aah (or at least it should...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Clifford, that may not fit, but maybe the sigma model action of the string in background fields, followed by the statement that  \beta =0 implies Einstein equation. Still one of the defining charecteristics of the theory, and one of the things that makes students ooh and aah (or at least it should&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 02:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bee. Hi!  For entropy, I would have either that equation, or a statement of the Second Law. Actually, in her email to me, Grrrl Einstein did have in brackets (covariant form) next to Maxwell'e Equations, so I imagine that is what she meant. I probably should not have deleted that.

Stefan: As for Nambu-Goto.. that's a good idea, but it does not really bring out the best... But thn I don't knwo what does. (Thanks for the  book suggestion by the way).

Paul:- The Regge slope is good... that's very stringy and also has experimental roots.

Helge:-  Long time since I've heard from you! Hi! KdV - Close to my heart too!

David and TheGraduate:- Navier-Stokes is good too..... also nice to have an image for... lots of nice fluid flows in the background.

I think I know what is top of my list to go next:- Th Planck black body spectrum... it encompasses so namy aspects of physics, bridges the classical and the quantum, and is also &lt;a href="http://asymptotia.com/2006/10/03/physics-nobel-prize-2006/" rel="nofollow"&gt;written in the sky&lt;/a&gt; via cosmology and astrophysics. It is such a triumph, it should be as popular as the I heart NY t-shirt.


-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bee. Hi!  For entropy, I would have either that equation, or a statement of the Second Law. Actually, in her email to me, Grrrl Einstein did have in brackets (covariant form) next to Maxwell&#8217;e Equations, so I imagine that is what she meant. I probably should not have deleted that.</p>
<p>Stefan: As for Nambu-Goto.. that&#8217;s a good idea, but it does not really bring out the best&#8230; But thn I don&#8217;t knwo what does. (Thanks for the  book suggestion by the way).</p>
<p>Paul:- The Regge slope is good&#8230; that&#8217;s very stringy and also has experimental roots.</p>
<p>Helge:-  Long time since I&#8217;ve heard from you! Hi! KdV - Close to my heart too!</p>
<p>David and TheGraduate:- Navier-Stokes is good too&#8230;.. also nice to have an image for&#8230; lots of nice fluid flows in the background.</p>
<p>I think I know what is top of my list to go next:- Th Planck black body spectrum&#8230; it encompasses so namy aspects of physics, bridges the classical and the quantum, and is also <a href="http://asymptotia.com/2006/10/03/physics-nobel-prize-2006/" rel="nofollow">written in the sky</a> via cosmology and astrophysics. It is such a triumph, it should be as popular as the I heart NY t-shirt.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Bee</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/11/07/twelve-days-of-physics/#comment-3636</link>
		<dc:creator>Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 01:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stefan,

I was about to write exactly the same thing :-)

Hi Clifford,

What equation belongs to 11) 'Entropy'? &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Zentralfriedhof_Vienna_-_Boltzmann.JPG" rel="nofollow"&gt;S= k log \Omega ?&lt;/a&gt;

Or otherwise, how about including something from Thermodynamics of Black holes: T = 1/M, or S ~ A etc.  

And I'd insist on Maxwell's equations with differential forms, it brings out much better the beauty of it all...

Best,

B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stefan,</p>
<p>I was about to write exactly the same thing <img src='http://asymptotia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hi Clifford,</p>
<p>What equation belongs to 11) &#8216;Entropy&#8217;? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Zentralfriedhof_Vienna_-_Boltzmann.JPG" rel="nofollow">S= k log \Omega ?</a></p>
<p>Or otherwise, how about including something from Thermodynamics of Black holes: T = 1/M, or S ~ A etc.  </p>
<p>And I&#8217;d insist on Maxwell&#8217;s equations with differential forms, it brings out much better the beauty of it all&#8230;</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>B.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/11/07/twelve-days-of-physics/#comment-3624</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 22:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there should be a propagator in there somewhere, so maybe some form of the Ward identity would be nice, with a few pictures all summing to zero! 

But for string theory one might like to have the spectrum of string states, or perhaps T-duality. Maybe one could be more general and have a BV master equation, but it wouldn't look too interesting. Perhaps the density of states formula? Or even the formula relating angular momentum to energy squared featuring the Regge slope? Even some AdS/CFT duality pictures might be good for a calendar, potentially I mean. 

Personally I prefer comic calendars, last year my friend brought me a cow calendar: every month had a cow in some exotic location giving warped life-advice always involving a cow, such as, "be nice to your cow and your cow will be nice to you".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there should be a propagator in there somewhere, so maybe some form of the Ward identity would be nice, with a few pictures all summing to zero! </p>
<p>But for string theory one might like to have the spectrum of string states, or perhaps T-duality. Maybe one could be more general and have a BV master equation, but it wouldn&#8217;t look too interesting. Perhaps the density of states formula? Or even the formula relating angular momentum to energy squared featuring the Regge slope? Even some AdS/CFT duality pictures might be good for a calendar, potentially I mean. </p>
<p>Personally I prefer comic calendars, last year my friend brought me a cow calendar: every month had a cow in some exotic location giving warped life-advice always involving a cow, such as, &#8220;be nice to your cow and your cow will be nice to you&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Helge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 22:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just some more suggestions:
Korteweg-de-Vries as the equation giving rise to solitons, and where solitons were first discovered ... (maybe a bit of personal bias here).

What about some equation describing the motion of a planet around the sun? Kepler's laws?

Helge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just some more suggestions:<br />
Korteweg-de-Vries as the equation giving rise to solitons, and where solitons were first discovered &#8230; (maybe a bit of personal bias here).</p>
<p>What about some equation describing the motion of a planet around the sun? Kepler&#8217;s laws?</p>
<p>Helge</p>
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		<title>By: TheGraduate</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheGraduate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would second Navier-Stokes.</description>
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		<title>By: stefan</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/11/07/twelve-days-of-physics/#comment-3603</link>
		<dc:creator>stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Physics Calendar idea reminds me of a very beautiful, small book I have seen shortly, &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Equations-Icons-Knowledge-Sander-Bais/dp/0674019679/" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Equations&lt;/a&gt;, by Sander Bais. It presents, on one page each, all kinds of equations in physics, and tries to explain the science described by these equations.

For string theory, it features the Nambu-Goto action, if I remember correctly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Physics Calendar idea reminds me of a very beautiful, small book I have seen shortly, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Equations-Icons-Knowledge-Sander-Bais/dp/0674019679/" rel="nofollow">The Equations</a>, by Sander Bais. It presents, on one page each, all kinds of equations in physics, and tries to explain the science described by these equations.</p>
<p>For string theory, it features the Nambu-Goto action, if I remember correctly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Navier-Stokes equations and the laws of thermodynamics have a large range of applicability.  I agree that the Einstein field equations should be on the list too.  The Clifford algebra seems unnecessary if the Dirac equation's there already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Navier-Stokes equations and the laws of thermodynamics have a large range of applicability.  I agree that the Einstein field equations should be on the list too.  The Clifford algebra seems unnecessary if the Dirac equation&#8217;s there already.</p>
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