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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-113679</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 07:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I understand that you feel strongly about this, but as I said in comments earlier...let's stay away from the accusations of lies and theft. I'm not really seeing this leading to a productive direction.

Cheers,

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I understand that you feel strongly about this, but as I said in comments earlier&#8230;let&#8217;s stay away from the accusations of lies and theft. I&#8217;m not really seeing this leading to a productive direction.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Zeleny</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-113674</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Zeleny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yau's lies and theft have been proven by the strongest standard of demonstration available in human affairs outside of the courtroom. His 18-month failure to act upon his threats of litigation against Nasar and Gruber and the New Yorker, adds virtual volumes of shame to mendacious legerdemain reported in their article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yau&#8217;s lies and theft have been proven by the strongest standard of demonstration available in human affairs outside of the courtroom. His 18-month failure to act upon his threats of litigation against Nasar and Gruber and the New Yorker, adds virtual volumes of shame to mendacious legerdemain reported in their article.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue-footed Boobie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue-footed Boobie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 15:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shing, you are the best mathematician ever! I am so doing
 an essay on you ( take that as a compliment.) See ya around!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shing, you are the best mathematician ever! I am so doing<br />
 an essay on you ( take that as a compliment.) See ya around!</p>
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		<title>By: Hector</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-6167</link>
		<dc:creator>Hector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.cds.caltech.edu/%7Enair/pdfs/CaoZhu_plagiarism.pdf</description>
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		<title>By: Hector</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-6165</link>
		<dc:creator>Hector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To make matters worse, it looks like there is not an original stitch to the Cao/Zhu (Yau) paper. It seems that Kleiner and Lott provided the AJM with this nice little comparision:

http://www.cds.caltech.edu/7Enair/pdfs/CaoZhu_plagiarism.pdf 
that resulted in an erratum being published. Probably in any other journal, this would have merited a full retration.

http://www.intlpress.com/AJM/p/2006/10_2/AJM-10-2-Erratum.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To make matters worse, it looks like there is not an original stitch to the Cao/Zhu (Yau) paper. It seems that Kleiner and Lott provided the AJM with this nice little comparision:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cds.caltech.edu/7Enair/pdfs/CaoZhu_plagiarism.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cds.caltech.edu/7Enair/pdfs/CaoZhu_plagiarism.pdf</a><br />
that resulted in an erratum being published. Probably in any other journal, this would have merited a full retration.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.intlpress.com/AJM/p/2006/10_2/AJM-10-2-Erratum.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.intlpress.com/AJM/p/2006/10_2/AJM-10-2-Erratum.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: PoincarÃ© In Our Time - Asymptotia</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-5242</link>
		<dc:creator>PoincarÃ© In Our Time - Asymptotia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This piece also makes a nice complement to the posts I&#8217;ve done here on other aspects of the conjecture (see here and here, for example). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This piece also makes a nice complement to the posts I&#8217;ve done here on other aspects of the conjecture (see here and here, for example). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-4750</link>
		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New Yorker article stated that Yau's journal, the Asian Journal of Mathematics, published the Zhu-Cao article without even sending it to referees.  When one of the members of the editorial board asked to see the paper, s/he was told it is not available.  The paper was accepted just 3 days after submission.  To me, this shows that the AJM has no academic standards and reflects very poorly on Yau as one of its co-editor.  I find it interesting that the letter from Dr. Yau's lawyer does not dispute the claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New Yorker article stated that Yau&#8217;s journal, the Asian Journal of Mathematics, published the Zhu-Cao article without even sending it to referees.  When one of the members of the editorial board asked to see the paper, s/he was told it is not available.  The paper was accepted just 3 days after submission.  To me, this shows that the AJM has no academic standards and reflects very poorly on Yau as one of its co-editor.  I find it interesting that the letter from Dr. Yau&#8217;s lawyer does not dispute the claim.</p>
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		<title>By: The Letters Keep Coming - Asymptotia</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-2138</link>
		<dc:creator>The Letters Keep Coming - Asymptotia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I just checked the website of Yau just now, for more developments on the argument with the New Yorker. It seems that since Hamilton&#8217;s strong letter, there have been several more, from various luminaries in the field. You can find them all on  the site. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I just checked the website of Yau just now, for more developments on the argument with the New Yorker. It seems that since Hamilton&#8217;s strong letter, there have been several more, from various luminaries in the field. You can find them all on  the site. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Manifold Yau - Asymptotia</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-2136</link>
		<dc:creator>Manifold Yau - Asymptotia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well, here&#8217;s yet another discussion of Yau to gobble up. It is a New York Times article by Dennis Overbye on Yau, his life and work*. I&#8217;ve no idea why this was written, or what the timing was. I&#8217;d like to believe that it was just because it is a good subject -becasue it is- and that it is worthwhile to do an article about a Mathematician of considerable stature in the field, and about the ins and outs of the world of Mathematics -because it is. But I can&#8217;t help but wonder if this would have seen the light of day if there was not the big argument going on about the New Yorker article and Yau&#8217;s displeasure with its contents. (Image on the right -click for larger- was taken from this site. It is a slice of a Calabi-Yau manifold. There&#8217;s more in the article about Yau&#8217;s work on those.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Well, here&#8217;s yet another discussion of Yau to gobble up. It is a New York Times article by Dennis Overbye on Yau, his life and work*. I&#8217;ve no idea why this was written, or what the timing was. I&#8217;d like to believe that it was just because it is a good subject -becasue it is- and that it is worthwhile to do an article about a Mathematician of considerable stature in the field, and about the ins and outs of the world of Mathematics -because it is. But I can&#8217;t help but wonder if this would have seen the light of day if there was not the big argument going on about the New Yorker article and Yau&#8217;s displeasure with its contents. (Image on the right -click for larger- was taken from this site. It is a slice of a Calabi-Yau manifold. There&#8217;s more in the article about Yau&#8217;s work on those.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Investment Spanker</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-2107</link>
		<dc:creator>Investment Spanker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yau's complaints all have to do with interpretation and wording -- there simply isn't a defamation case there.
Not in a US court, anyway.

Under US law, STY would have to prove some factual inaccuracy in the article.  You can't base a libel or slander case on arguing about whether or not it's too tendentious to describe a disagreement over relative proportions of credit as a 'battle'.

The only factual detail STY disputes is whether or not he assigned percentages of credit for the Poincare conjecture in his talk at strings 2006.

He has no case against the New Yorker based on this, however, since You's asignment of percentages was reported by several sources long before the New Yorker article, including at least one major wire service.  It's hard to believe they're all lying.

But even if those reports are wrong and Yau didn't assign percentages, the New Yorker relied in good faith on what it thought were legitimate sources.  That does not provide evidence of malice which you would need to prove a defamation case.

If STY really did not assign percentages, it was a major mistake not to dispute the reports that he did which came out at the time.  It's possible, of course, that the reason he didn't dispute the reports is because they were true.

Either way, all the Strings talks were preserved as recorded audio. If STY really didn't say what he's reported to have said, let him produce the audio recording and prove it.

Standard practice is for audio of Strings talks to be posted on the web soon after they occur -- days or weeks at the absolute latest.  It's now been months and the talks have not been posted.  Yau is chair of the Organizing Committee for Strings 2006.  

Clifford, if you think Yau's case is so strong, you should ask him why the content of the talks -- particularly his own -- has not been made public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yau&#8217;s complaints all have to do with interpretation and wording &#8212; there simply isn&#8217;t a defamation case there.<br />
Not in a US court, anyway.</p>
<p>Under US law, STY would have to prove some factual inaccuracy in the article.  You can&#8217;t base a libel or slander case on arguing about whether or not it&#8217;s too tendentious to describe a disagreement over relative proportions of credit as a &#8216;battle&#8217;.</p>
<p>The only factual detail STY disputes is whether or not he assigned percentages of credit for the Poincare conjecture in his talk at strings 2006.</p>
<p>He has no case against the New Yorker based on this, however, since You&#8217;s asignment of percentages was reported by several sources long before the New Yorker article, including at least one major wire service.  It&#8217;s hard to believe they&#8217;re all lying.</p>
<p>But even if those reports are wrong and Yau didn&#8217;t assign percentages, the New Yorker relied in good faith on what it thought were legitimate sources.  That does not provide evidence of malice which you would need to prove a defamation case.</p>
<p>If STY really did not assign percentages, it was a major mistake not to dispute the reports that he did which came out at the time.  It&#8217;s possible, of course, that the reason he didn&#8217;t dispute the reports is because they were true.</p>
<p>Either way, all the Strings talks were preserved as recorded audio. If STY really didn&#8217;t say what he&#8217;s reported to have said, let him produce the audio recording and prove it.</p>
<p>Standard practice is for audio of Strings talks to be posted on the web soon after they occur &#8212; days or weeks at the absolute latest.  It&#8217;s now been months and the talks have not been posted.  Yau is chair of the Organizing Committee for Strings 2006.  </p>
<p>Clifford, if you think Yau&#8217;s case is so strong, you should ask him why the content of the talks &#8212; particularly his own &#8212; has not been made public.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamiltonian Support - Asymptotia</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-1416</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamiltonian Support - Asymptotia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In the continued public discussion of the treatment of Yau&#8217;s reputation by the New Yorker article (by Sylvia Nasar and David Gruber), to which I earlier referred (see here, and see the post about Yau&#8217;s response here), there has been a recent significant development. I don&#8217;t mean the press conference of last week (&#8230;did anyone see that? I could not log on&#8230; there is archived video avaialble here. I still can&#8217;t view it&#8230;reports are welcome), held by Yau&#8217;s entourage (I am guessing). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In the continued public discussion of the treatment of Yau&#8217;s reputation by the New Yorker article (by Sylvia Nasar and David Gruber), to which I earlier referred (see here, and see the post about Yau&#8217;s response here), there has been a recent significant development. I don&#8217;t mean the press conference of last week (&#8230;did anyone see that? I could not log on&#8230; there is archived video avaialble here. I still can&#8217;t view it&#8230;reports are welcome), held by Yau&#8217;s entourage (I am guessing). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Say Lee</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-1413</link>
		<dc:creator>Say Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof. Richard Hamilton, a key member of the joint effort to solving the Poincare Conjecture, has come to Dr. Yau's aid by way of an open letter accessible at http://www.doctoryau.com/.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. Richard Hamilton, a key member of the joint effort to solving the Poincare Conjecture, has come to Dr. Yau&#8217;s aid by way of an open letter accessible at <a href="http://www.doctoryau.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.doctoryau.com/</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Say Lee</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-1323</link>
		<dc:creator>Say Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 14:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However, the defenders of Nasar/Gruber still roam the online forum at the New Yorker website.

Looks like this matter will take its own tortuous course along the litigation path. Wonder what's the stand of the respective employers of the protagonists. Internal investigations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, the defenders of Nasar/Gruber still roam the online forum at the New Yorker website.</p>
<p>Looks like this matter will take its own tortuous course along the litigation path. Wonder what&#8217;s the stand of the respective employers of the protagonists. Internal investigations?</p>
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		<title>By: China N. Math</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-1315</link>
		<dc:creator>China N. Math</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 03:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Nasar Hunts Chinese Witches

(1) In Ms. Nasarâ€™s article with Mr. Gruber, she labeled both Professors Shing-Tung Yau and Shiing-Shen Chern as â€œthe Chinese mathematicianâ€.  In fact, both are U.S. citizens born in China.  It is important to note that only mathematicians of Chinese heritage were labeled this way in the article.  This labeling is in contrary to the common practice of using the term â€œChinese American mathematicianâ€ in the mainstream news media in both the U.S. and China. (In Chinese media, Yau and Chern are called â€œmei ji hua renâ€-U.S. citizen of Chinese heritage.)  Ms. Nasar went to length to describe the contributions of Yau and Chern to the scientific development in China but neglected to mention that both were awarded this nationâ€™s highest scientific honor, the National Medal of Science.  The subliminal message is that both Yau and Chern work only to advance the Chinese interest.  Such bigotry is nothing new in this country: Jewish people have been subject to such stereotype for a long time.

(2) While there were extensive discussions on original ideas in mathematics in this 14-page long article, not a single sentence, as far as I know, associated mathematicians of Chinese heritage to originality. Even the originality of Yauâ€™s Fields Medal work was downplayed. This article promotes the false and harmful stereotypes that mathematicians of Chinese heritage are â€œtechnicalâ€ but not â€œoriginalâ€. (See &lt;a href="http://boards.newyorker.com/thread.jspa?threadID=722&#38;tstart=0" rel="nofollow"&gt;an open letter to Ms. Nasar&lt;/a&gt; for more detail on this point.)

(3) Seven mathematicians of Chinese heritage were named in the article: Yau, Chern, Gang Tian, Huai-Dong Cao, Xi-Ping Zhu, Kefeng Liu, Bong H. Lian (implicitly, as the coauthor of Liu and Yau).  While there was only minimal coverage on Chern, all six others were alleged, one way or another, to involve in plagiary and/or claiming undeserved credits.  More importantly, in the article, no other mathematicians but only those of Chinese heritage were alleged to involve of such unethical practices.  This is biased, prejudiced, and, in fact, racist.  To illustrate this point, substitute all Chinese names by Jewish names, China by Israel, and Chinese by Jewish. This article would then have been easily recognized as anti-Semitic.

(4)  This is not the first time Ms. Nasar spews anti-Chinese venom. In her article &lt;a href="http://www.strategy-business.com/press/16635507/999452?tid=230&#38;pg=all" rel="nofollow"&gt;Best Business Book 2003: Globalization&lt;/a&gt;, she promoted the book World on Fire by Amy Chua.  Here is what Ms. Nasar wrote:

       &lt;blockquote&gt;Chua compares the wealthy Chinese, like her aunt, who dominate the markets of many Asian countries to the successful Jews of Europe in the 1920s. â€œIn the Philippines, millions of Filipinos work for Chinese; almost no 
Chinese work for Filipinos. The Chinese dominate industry and society at every levelâ€¦. When foreign investors do business in the Philippines they deal almost exclusively with Chinese.â€ When she was 8 years old, she recalls, 
she stumbled into the servant quarters in her auntâ€™s villa: â€œMy familyâ€™s houseboys, gardeners, and chauffeurs â€¦ were sleeping on mats on a dirt floor. The place smelled of sweat and urine. I was horrified.â€
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
         This is bigotry, pure and simple. It is now well established that Ms. Nasar distorted other peopleâ€™s statements to fit her own agenda. (â€œAs it appears in her article, she has purposefully distorted my statement and made it unforgivably misleading.â€     ---Dan Stroock of MIT.)   There were  also controversies regarding Ms. Nasarâ€™s A Beautiful Mind about the anti-Semitic statements that she attributed to Mr. John Nash. (See, for example, &lt;a href="http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=8288" rel="nofollow"&gt;An Anti-Semitic Mind?&lt;/a&gt; by Tom Tugent at The Jewish Journal.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Nasar Hunts Chinese Witches</p>
<p>(1) In Ms. Nasarâ€™s article with Mr. Gruber, she labeled both Professors Shing-Tung Yau and Shiing-Shen Chern as â€œthe Chinese mathematicianâ€.  In fact, both are U.S. citizens born in China.  It is important to note that only mathematicians of Chinese heritage were labeled this way in the article.  This labeling is in contrary to the common practice of using the term â€œChinese American mathematicianâ€ in the mainstream news media in both the U.S. and China. (In Chinese media, Yau and Chern are called â€œmei ji hua renâ€-U.S. citizen of Chinese heritage.)  Ms. Nasar went to length to describe the contributions of Yau and Chern to the scientific development in China but neglected to mention that both were awarded this nationâ€™s highest scientific honor, the National Medal of Science.  The subliminal message is that both Yau and Chern work only to advance the Chinese interest.  Such bigotry is nothing new in this country: Jewish people have been subject to such stereotype for a long time.</p>
<p>(2) While there were extensive discussions on original ideas in mathematics in this 14-page long article, not a single sentence, as far as I know, associated mathematicians of Chinese heritage to originality. Even the originality of Yauâ€™s Fields Medal work was downplayed. This article promotes the false and harmful stereotypes that mathematicians of Chinese heritage are â€œtechnicalâ€ but not â€œoriginalâ€. (See <a href="http://boards.newyorker.com/thread.jspa?threadID=722&amp;tstart=0" rel="nofollow">an open letter to Ms. Nasar</a> for more detail on this point.)</p>
<p>(3) Seven mathematicians of Chinese heritage were named in the article: Yau, Chern, Gang Tian, Huai-Dong Cao, Xi-Ping Zhu, Kefeng Liu, Bong H. Lian (implicitly, as the coauthor of Liu and Yau).  While there was only minimal coverage on Chern, all six others were alleged, one way or another, to involve in plagiary and/or claiming undeserved credits.  More importantly, in the article, no other mathematicians but only those of Chinese heritage were alleged to involve of such unethical practices.  This is biased, prejudiced, and, in fact, racist.  To illustrate this point, substitute all Chinese names by Jewish names, China by Israel, and Chinese by Jewish. This article would then have been easily recognized as anti-Semitic.</p>
<p>(4)  This is not the first time Ms. Nasar spews anti-Chinese venom. In her article <a href="http://www.strategy-business.com/press/16635507/999452?tid=230&amp;pg=all" rel="nofollow">Best Business Book 2003: Globalization</a>, she promoted the book World on Fire by Amy Chua.  Here is what Ms. Nasar wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Chua compares the wealthy Chinese, like her aunt, who dominate the markets of many Asian countries to the successful Jews of Europe in the 1920s. â€œIn the Philippines, millions of Filipinos work for Chinese; almost no<br />
Chinese work for Filipinos. The Chinese dominate industry and society at every levelâ€¦. When foreign investors do business in the Philippines they deal almost exclusively with Chinese.â€ When she was 8 years old, she recalls,<br />
she stumbled into the servant quarters in her auntâ€™s villa: â€œMy familyâ€™s houseboys, gardeners, and chauffeurs â€¦ were sleeping on mats on a dirt floor. The place smelled of sweat and urine. I was horrified.â€
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<p>         This is bigotry, pure and simple. It is now well established that Ms. Nasar distorted other peopleâ€™s statements to fit her own agenda. (â€œAs it appears in her article, she has purposefully distorted my statement and made it unforgivably misleading.â€     &#8212;Dan Stroock of MIT.)   There were  also controversies regarding Ms. Nasarâ€™s A Beautiful Mind about the anti-Semitic statements that she attributed to Mr. John Nash. (See, for example, <a href="http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=8288" rel="nofollow">An Anti-Semitic Mind?</a> by Tom Tugent at The Jewish Journal.)</p>
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		<title>By: Say Lee</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-1287</link>
		<dc:creator>Say Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may have erred on the side of generalization, having extrapolated from my personal experience with the chinese but not from this part of the world.

As for being unfair, I would plead a distant second to the "rich documentation" of Nasar and Gruber. But then again I'm no professional journalist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have erred on the side of generalization, having extrapolated from my personal experience with the chinese but not from this part of the world.</p>
<p>As for being unfair, I would plead a distant second to the &#8220;rich documentation&#8221; of Nasar and Gruber. But then again I&#8217;m no professional journalist.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-1274</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Careful now.... I don't think anyone has proven "lies and theft". A bunch of anecdotes in a New Yorker article does  not constitute "rich documentation".

Cheers,


-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful now&#8230;. I don&#8217;t think anyone has proven &#8220;lies and theft&#8221;. A bunch of anecdotes in a New Yorker article does  not constitute &#8220;rich documentation&#8221;.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Zeleny</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-1271</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Zeleny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say Lee says: "Usually Asian people are loathe to seeking redress through legal means." This sweepingly unfair observation is partially redeemed by examples of Shin-Tung Yau's attempts to advance his career with lies and theft, richly documented by Sylvia Nasar and David Gruber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say Lee says: &#8220;Usually Asian people are loathe to seeking redress through legal means.&#8221; This sweepingly unfair observation is partially redeemed by examples of Shin-Tung Yau&#8217;s attempts to advance his career with lies and theft, richly documented by Sylvia Nasar and David Gruber.</p>
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		<title>By: Say Lee</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-1242</link>
		<dc:creator>Say Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who are mathematically inclined, the Cao/Zhu's article is accessible at:

http://www.intlpress.com/AJM/p/2006/10_2/AJM-10-2-165-492.pdf

Here is the Abstract. 

In this paper, we give a complete proof of the PoincarÂ´e and the geometrization
conjectures. This work depends on the accumulative works of many geometric analysts in the past thirty years. This proof should be considered as the crowning achievement of the Hamilton-Perelman theory of Ricci flow.

Isn't the attribution highly professionally done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who are mathematically inclined, the Cao/Zhu&#8217;s article is accessible at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.intlpress.com/AJM/p/2006/10_2/AJM-10-2-165-492.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.intlpress.com/AJM/p/2006/10_2/AJM-10-2-165-492.pdf</a></p>
<p>Here is the Abstract. </p>
<p>In this paper, we give a complete proof of the PoincarÂ´e and the geometrization<br />
conjectures. This work depends on the accumulative works of many geometric analysts in the past thirty years. This proof should be considered as the crowning achievement of the Hamilton-Perelman theory of Ricci flow.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t the attribution highly professionally done?</p>
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		<title>By: Say Lee</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-1238</link>
		<dc:creator>Say Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what about standing for your rights and acting against dubious journalism, personal interests vested notwithstanding?

Aren't these among the desirable qualities we wish to inculcate in today's kids? We live in an imperfect world and conflicts do arise when people are at odds with each other. We would not want to harm others, either by word or by deed, but we do have to know how to protect our good name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what about standing for your rights and acting against dubious journalism, personal interests vested notwithstanding?</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t these among the desirable qualities we wish to inculcate in today&#8217;s kids? We live in an imperfect world and conflicts do arise when people are at odds with each other. We would not want to harm others, either by word or by deed, but we do have to know how to protect our good name.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-1217</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, but we must try to salvage anything positive, if we can.

-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, but we must try to salvage anything positive, if we can.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-1215</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 02:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you about the existence of pettiness in anything humans do, my point was about the image being portrayed.  Is it healthy for Mathematics to be seen in this light?  If people only see smart people arguing over who solved the problem, it might add to their distaste for the subject, instead of encouraging them to join in.  You do have a point about it being an interesting human story that is of interest to everyone, but creating villains and lawsuits seems the wrong way to interest people at a human level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you about the existence of pettiness in anything humans do, my point was about the image being portrayed.  Is it healthy for Mathematics to be seen in this light?  If people only see smart people arguing over who solved the problem, it might add to their distaste for the subject, instead of encouraging them to join in.  You do have a point about it being an interesting human story that is of interest to everyone, but creating villains and lawsuits seems the wrong way to interest people at a human level.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-1212</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

I think that through all of this fog, a student will certainly appreciate another useful fact that is not known widely about mathematics, which is that it is an exciting  field full of personalities...  very much alive. This is a good thing to see. Pettiness, if indeed relevant here, appears in any field where there are human beings working. It is not special to Mathematics.


-cvj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>I think that through all of this fog, a student will certainly appreciate another useful fact that is not known widely about mathematics, which is that it is an exciting  field full of personalities&#8230;  very much alive. This is a good thing to see. Pettiness, if indeed relevant here, appears in any field where there are human beings working. It is not special to Mathematics.</p>
<p>-cvj</p>
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		<title>By: Say Lee</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-1210</link>
		<dc:creator>Say Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I note that the article in question is put under the feature section named Fact in the New Yorker and you guessed right, there is a separate section named Fiction. From what I can gather, the line seems to have blurred.

Usually Asian people are loathe to seeking redress through legal means. But in this instance suing is perhaps the last recourse available to Yau to redeem his reputation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I note that the article in question is put under the feature section named Fact in the New Yorker and you guessed right, there is a separate section named Fiction. From what I can gather, the line seems to have blurred.</p>
<p>Usually Asian people are loathe to seeking redress through legal means. But in this instance suing is perhaps the last recourse available to Yau to redeem his reputation.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-1206</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today while teaching my lab I was asked by a student "what do mathematicians so, I mean, I get what physicists do, there's stuff to figure out, but what can you do in math?"  I love these kinds of questions, because it allows me to open up their mind to something fun.  It is hard to describe what math is all about at the level of proofs, but one way I do it is by proving the Pythagorean theorm using a square and dividing it up, etc.  After this she was so impressed that she couldnt stop talking about it all lab.  I actually had to convince her to get back to work and finish the thing.  I also showed her some fun facts with cardinality that most people dont know.  My point in all this is that math needs public relations, people dont really know what math is all about.  But this kind of attention is horrible.  If youve never met a person before and you are told "avoid him, he's a jerk" you probably might.  The same goes for math, it is considered hard and boring by most people, it would be a shame if 'petty' were attached to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today while teaching my lab I was asked by a student &#8220;what do mathematicians so, I mean, I get what physicists do, there&#8217;s stuff to figure out, but what can you do in math?&#8221;  I love these kinds of questions, because it allows me to open up their mind to something fun.  It is hard to describe what math is all about at the level of proofs, but one way I do it is by proving the Pythagorean theorm using a square and dividing it up, etc.  After this she was so impressed that she couldnt stop talking about it all lab.  I actually had to convince her to get back to work and finish the thing.  I also showed her some fun facts with cardinality that most people dont know.  My point in all this is that math needs public relations, people dont really know what math is all about.  But this kind of attention is horrible.  If youve never met a person before and you are told &#8220;avoid him, he&#8217;s a jerk&#8221; you probably might.  The same goes for math, it is considered hard and boring by most people, it would be a shame if &#8216;petty&#8217; were attached to that.</p>
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		<title>By: damtp_dweller</title>
		<link>http://asymptotia.com/2006/09/18/yau-fights-back/#comment-1186</link>
		<dc:creator>damtp_dweller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh piffle! Donâ€™t be so po-facedâ€¦ anyone would think you were at Cambridge or something! Oh, waitâ€¦.. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

TouchÃ©. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh piffle! Donâ€™t be so po-facedâ€¦ anyone would think you were at Cambridge or something! Oh, waitâ€¦.. </p></blockquote>
<p>TouchÃ©. <img src='http://asymptotia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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